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> Europe suffered no consequences as a result of disagreeing with the US over the Iraq War. They also didn't prevent it, so I'm not sure what your point is her

> Europe suffered no consequences as a result of disagreeing with the US over the Iraq War. They also didn't prevent it, so I'm not sure what your point is here: Washington got their way. It was Europe that was burdened with millions of refugees created by Washington's unprovoked invasion of Iraq (then Libya, then Syria). > It suffered no consequences as a result of disagreeing with the US (and other European country's) concerns over Russian imperialism. This doesn't make any sense. Europe's economy is in dire straits, and Washington continues to get exactly what it wants. > It continues to suffer no consequences as a result of disagreeing with the US over China. Simply not true. One example from this week: https://www.ft.com/content/095e76a1-6ffd-4962-99e6-33268eebcda9 https://www.ft.com/content/095e76a1-6ffd-4962-99e6-33268eebc... > Turkey suffers no consequences of its considerable disagreement from US foreign policy Huh? Erdoğan blames the US for being behind the failed Gulenist coup, and Türkiye continues to straddle the line between West and East.

jcranmer 3y ago
> It was Europe that was burdened with millions of refugees created by Washington's unprovoked invasion of Iraq (then Libya, then Syria). You are aware that intervention in Libya was driven by France and UK far more than the US, right? In fact, part of the goal of the intervention in Libya was to demonstrate that Europe didn't need to rely on the US to tackle security concerns in its immediate backward--even if that demonstration was a failure.
- pphysch 3y ago
  Yes, I am aware of that, and that it doesn't affect my argument. Washington was still a huge fan of and participant in that brutal unprovoked invasion that saw slave markets return to Libya. Washington did lead the unprovoked illegal invasions of Iraq and Syria, which had more of an impact on the refugee crisis. So again: where are the examples of coalition members getting their way in spite of Washington's interests?

jcranmer 3y ago

> It was Europe that was burdened with millions of refugees created by Washington's unprovoked invasion of Iraq (then Libya, then Syria). You are aware that intervention in Libya was driven by France and UK far more than the US, right? In fact, part of the goal of the intervention in Libya was to demonstrate that Europe didn't need to rely on the US to tackle security concerns in its immediate backward--even if that demonstration was a failure.

pphysch 3y ago
Yes, I am aware of that, and that it doesn't affect my argument. Washington was still a huge fan of and participant in that brutal unprovoked invasion that saw slave markets return to Libya. Washington did lead the unprovoked illegal invasions of Iraq and Syria, which had more of an impact on the refugee crisis. So again: where are the examples of coalition members getting their way in spite of Washington's interests?