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>> (and incompetent) political corruption. Hyperbolic and self defeating. If the corruption is incompetent then I guess there isn't much effective corruption.

>> (and incompetent) political corruption. Hyperbolic and self defeating. If the corruption is incompetent then I guess there isn't much effective corruption. Canada ranks well above even the US on most indexes of corruption. Not liking the current government is a totally different thing than a country being corrupt. Canada=14th, which is nothing to be embarrassed about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

chrisco255 3y ago
That is a "perceptions" index. Note corruption is not something which can be reduced to a scalar value and analyzed like temperature or pressure. It's far more multivariate and complex than that. Even if, for the sake of argument, it was possible to do so, you would have to interrogate the methodology used to produce this value. Note the complexity in analyzing corruption by country. How does one investigate in detail, the governments of almost 200 countries? If one relies on survey results from members of those countries, how was the survey consistently conducted across language barriers, cultural barriers, and legal barriers? Finally, even if you believe all of those incredibly dubious factors were accounted for, it could be possible that being 14th in a world that is becoming more corrupt does not mean that Canada is improving in that regard.
unpopular42 3y ago
No way! A political index that doesn't actually reflect the reality, has that ever happened?
whimsicalism 3y ago
Most of these indices are nonsense and perception based.
mardifoufs 3y ago
Typical Canadian response. Who said anything about the US? It's amazing how we can make excuses for everything, as long as we delude ourselves that we somehow have it better than the US.
- SpecialistK 3y ago
  Because, outside of QC at least, that's the country's only reason for existing and has been since the 18th century. First it was "staying with the UK and Crown" and now its "being more progressive" - both in reaction to what the US does.
tick_tock_tick 3y ago
This is all perception and especially for Canada most of the general view is just unbelievable massive incompetence rather then corruption.

chrisco255 3y ago

That is a "perceptions" index. Note corruption is not something which can be reduced to a scalar value and analyzed like temperature or pressure. It's far more multivariate and complex than that. Even if, for the sake of argument, it was possible to do so, you would have to interrogate the methodology used to produce this value. Note the complexity in analyzing corruption by country. How does one investigate in detail, the governments of almost 200 countries? If one relies on survey results from members of those countries, how was the survey consistently conducted across language barriers, cultural barriers, and legal barriers? Finally, even if you believe all of those incredibly dubious factors were accounted for, it could be possible that being 14th in a world that is becoming more corrupt does not mean that Canada is improving in that regard.

unpopular42 3y ago

No way! A political index that doesn't actually reflect the reality, has that ever happened?

whimsicalism 3y ago

Most of these indices are nonsense and perception based.

mardifoufs 3y ago

Typical Canadian response. Who said anything about the US? It's amazing how we can make excuses for everything, as long as we delude ourselves that we somehow have it better than the US.

SpecialistK 3y ago
Because, outside of QC at least, that's the country's only reason for existing and has been since the 18th century. First it was "staying with the UK and Crown" and now its "being more progressive" - both in reaction to what the US does.

tick_tock_tick 3y ago

This is all perception and especially for Canada most of the general view is just unbelievable massive incompetence rather then corruption.