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Since it seems like you are not aware, you should know that the functionality available for iMessage is different on other platforms. That may be causing your

by stale2002 3y ago

Since it seems like you are not aware, you should know that the functionality available for iMessage is different on other platforms. That may be causing your confusing here. You weren't aware of the functionality difference that Apple prevents other platforms from using with their design choices. I'd recommend that you research which functionality is prevented on other platforms, since you didn't seem to know about it.

GeekyBear 3y ago
Are we both talking about a text messaging app that can send text messages to any device that supports the universal SMS standard? That's not blocking. A good example of blocking is not allowing any developers on a competing smart phone platform to write an app that allows users to access your monopoly internet video platform.
- stale2002 3y ago
  > Are we both talking about a text messaging app We are talking about iMessage. Were you not aware of the functionality differences, cross platform? I can totally understand if you weren't aware of them, because you had only used one type of phone, for example. It can be hard to know about things like this, depending on ones personal experience.
- ewoodrich 3y ago
  https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009 https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-... Apple is pretty clearly blocking Google (or any other Android app developer) from implementing this functionality and greatly benefits from it. Particularly relevant for the age demographic this thread originally referenced.
  - GeekyBear 3y ago
    > Apple is pretty clearly blocking Google (or any other Android app developer) from implementing this functionality What functionality? Give some concrete examples.
    - ewoodrich 3y ago
      High res photos is the most egregious example.
      - GeekyBear 3y ago
        That's an issue with the MMS standard. Try again.
        ewoodrich 3y ago
        Correct, the issue is that Apple doesn't support interoperability with iMessage or a modern standard like RCS. The EU is concerned enough to address this with a regulatory apparatus that the US lacks. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...
        GeekyBear 3y ago
        > Apple doesn't support interoperability with iMessage or a modern standard like RCS. Sorry, but Google's proprietary closed source fork of RCS is not any kind of "standard". > Google's version of RCS—the one promoted on the website with Google-exclusive features like optional encryption—is definitely proprietary, by the way. If this is supposed to be a standard, there's no way for a third-party to use Google's RCS APIs right now. Some messaging apps, like Beeper, have asked Google about integrating RCS and were told there's no public RCS API and no plans to build one. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs-apple-for-mercy-in-messaging-war/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...
        ewoodrich 3y ago
        Then Apple should allow interoperability with the iMessage protocol. They maintain control without the anti-competitive side effects. They are also free to use any variant of RCS that isn't controlled by Google.

GeekyBear 3y ago

Are we both talking about a text messaging app that can send text messages to any device that supports the universal SMS standard? That's not blocking. A good example of blocking is not allowing any developers on a competing smart phone platform to write an app that allows users to access your monopoly internet video platform.

stale2002 3y ago
> Are we both talking about a text messaging app We are talking about iMessage. Were you not aware of the functionality differences, cross platform? I can totally understand if you weren't aware of them, because you had only used one type of phone, for example. It can be hard to know about things like this, depending on ones personal experience.
ewoodrich 3y ago
https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009 https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-... Apple is pretty clearly blocking Google (or any other Android app developer) from implementing this functionality and greatly benefits from it. Particularly relevant for the age demographic this thread originally referenced.
- GeekyBear 3y ago
  > Apple is pretty clearly blocking Google (or any other Android app developer) from implementing this functionality What functionality? Give some concrete examples.
  - ewoodrich 3y ago
    High res photos is the most egregious example.
    - GeekyBear 3y ago
      That's an issue with the MMS standard. Try again.
      - ewoodrich 3y ago
        Correct, the issue is that Apple doesn't support interoperability with iMessage or a modern standard like RCS. The EU is concerned enough to address this with a regulatory apparatus that the US lacks. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...
        GeekyBear 3y ago
        > Apple doesn't support interoperability with iMessage or a modern standard like RCS. Sorry, but Google's proprietary closed source fork of RCS is not any kind of "standard". > Google's version of RCS—the one promoted on the website with Google-exclusive features like optional encryption—is definitely proprietary, by the way. If this is supposed to be a standard, there's no way for a third-party to use Google's RCS APIs right now. Some messaging apps, like Beeper, have asked Google about integrating RCS and were told there's no public RCS API and no plans to build one. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs-apple-for-mercy-in-messaging-war/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/08/new-google-site-begs...
        ewoodrich 3y ago
        Then Apple should allow interoperability with the iMessage protocol. They maintain control without the anti-competitive side effects. They are also free to use any variant of RCS that isn't controlled by Google.