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The primary effect of seatbelt laws is fundraising through pointless fines. And some informed folks have even argued that in modern vehicles airbags are so eff

The primary effect of seatbelt laws is fundraising through pointless fines. And some informed folks have even argued that in modern vehicles airbags are so effective seatbelts could be worsening accident outcomes. (Elon Musk made this point in one of his podcast appearances re: Teslas)

CJefferson 3y ago
Which informed folks? Can you provide any study about this, because I haven't heard of any.
- pengaru 3y ago
  Are you suggesting Elon Musk lied to us in JRE #1609?
  - runarberg 3y ago
    If he made this point there, then yes, yes he lied. This is a lie.
  - callalex 3y ago
    Yes. In fact he lies on most days that end in y.
runarberg 3y ago
Pointless conjuncture. If you want to make this argument, you can at least provide some data on how much some police departments make by collecting seat belt fines, and compare it to other fines and cost of operation. I doubt the seat belt fines are significant enough to warrant this speculation. The airbag argument is even worse. Modern vehicles go through numerous safety standard tests, including real world experiments where test dummies are put in an actual car crash. If seat belts make the crash worse for the dummy than airbag alone, these tests would have shown it, and there would be publications about it in a peer reviewed science journal. If you are so confident, you should be able to find at least one such publication. I doubt you will.
Arrath 3y ago
Having been in a roll over accident, yes air bags saved me from braining myself on the door window (I quite appreciate that side curtain airbag now) but would have done sweet fuck all for keeping me actually in my seat during the events.
owenmarshall 3y ago
This is 2023’s version of saying “no, actually, it’s safer to be thrown clear if you’re in a wreck so you don’t end up trapped in a burning car.”
stonogo 3y ago
How on earth can you possibly consider Elon Musk "informed"
sobkas 3y ago
No https://ohsonline.com/articles/2008/03/study-airbag-use-without-seatbelt-increases-injury-risk.aspx https://ohsonline.com/articles/2008/03/study-airbag-use-with...
- pengaru 3y ago
  Presumably air bags have improved in the 15 years since then...
bordercases 3y ago
Contrarians arguing the possibility without evidence yet cited to back it up is not a definitive conclusion, let alone informed.

CJefferson 3y ago

Which informed folks? Can you provide any study about this, because I haven't heard of any.

pengaru 3y ago
Are you suggesting Elon Musk lied to us in JRE #1609?
- runarberg 3y ago
  If he made this point there, then yes, yes he lied. This is a lie.
- callalex 3y ago
  Yes. In fact he lies on most days that end in y.

runarberg 3y ago

Pointless conjuncture. If you want to make this argument, you can at least provide some data on how much some police departments make by collecting seat belt fines, and compare it to other fines and cost of operation. I doubt the seat belt fines are significant enough to warrant this speculation. The airbag argument is even worse. Modern vehicles go through numerous safety standard tests, including real world experiments where test dummies are put in an actual car crash. If seat belts make the crash worse for the dummy than airbag alone, these tests would have shown it, and there would be publications about it in a peer reviewed science journal. If you are so confident, you should be able to find at least one such publication. I doubt you will.

Arrath 3y ago

Having been in a roll over accident, yes air bags saved me from braining myself on the door window (I quite appreciate that side curtain airbag now) but would have done sweet fuck all for keeping me actually in my seat during the events.

owenmarshall 3y ago

This is 2023’s version of saying “no, actually, it’s safer to be thrown clear if you’re in a wreck so you don’t end up trapped in a burning car.”

stonogo 3y ago

How on earth can you possibly consider Elon Musk "informed"

sobkas 3y ago

No https://ohsonline.com/articles/2008/03/study-airbag-use-without-seatbelt-increases-injury-risk.aspx https://ohsonline.com/articles/2008/03/study-airbag-use-with...

pengaru 3y ago
Presumably air bags have improved in the 15 years since then...

bordercases 3y ago

Contrarians arguing the possibility without evidence yet cited to back it up is not a definitive conclusion, let alone informed.