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> Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices iMessage has always worked with any device that supports SMS. Google, on the other hand, actively blocked Windows Pho

> Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices iMessage has always worked with any device that supports SMS. Google, on the other hand, actively blocked Windows Phone from having access to Youtube. Even when Microsoft paid to write a Youtube app themselves, Google blocked it. Google did the same thing and blocked Youtube on Amazon's Echo Show.

satvikpendem 3y ago
Why the whataboutism? They both have flaws. By iMessage blocking, you surely knew that I didn't mean just interoperability via SMS. If Apple adopted RCS or some other such standard, Android users and iPhone users could talk without having a degraded experience on either side. Apple executives literally admitted that not expanding iMessage ensured that people would continue to buy iPhones: > app.)...In the absence of a strategy to become the primary messaging service for [the] bulk of cell phone users, I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...
- GeekyBear 3y ago
  > By iMessage blocking, you surely knew that I didn't mean just interoperability via SMS It's not blocking at all, when you explicitly support interoperation. The only example that can obviously be called "blocking" is when Google used it's internet video monopoly as a weapon against Microsoft's competing smart phone platform. Refusing to allow anyone to produce a Youtube app for Windows Phone isn't even in the same zip code as Google not writing a Youtube app themselves.
  - stale2002 3y ago
    Since it seems like you are not aware, you should know that the functionality available for iMessage is different on other platforms. That may be causing your confusing here. You weren't aware of the functionality difference that Apple prevents other platforms from using with their design choices. I'd recommend that you research which functionality is prevented on other platforms, since you didn't seem to know about it.
    - GeekyBear 3y ago
      Are we both talking about a text messaging app that can send text messages to any device that supports the universal SMS standard? That's not blocking. A good example of blocking is not allowing any developers on a competing smart phone platform to write an app that allows users to access your monopoly internet video platform.
      - stale2002 3y ago
        > Are we both talking about a text messaging app We are talking about iMessage. Were you not aware of the functionality differences, cross platform? I can totally understand if you weren't aware of them, because you had only used one type of phone, for example. It can be hard to know about things like this, depending on ones personal experience.
      - ewoodrich 3y ago
        https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009 https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-... Apple is pretty clearly blocking Google (or any other Android app developer) from implementing this functionality and greatly benefits from it. Particularly relevant for the age demographic this thread originally referenced.
        GeekyBear 3y ago
        > Apple is pretty clearly blocking Google (or any other Android app developer) from implementing this functionality What functionality? Give some concrete examples.
        ewoodrich 3y ago
        High res photos is the most egregious example.
        GeekyBear 3y ago
magicalist 3y ago
> iMessage has always worked with any device that supports SMS youtube has always worked in a web browser. Meanwhile I'm laughing about how fast Apple would come down on Google if they made their own Android chat that tapped into iMessage and internet commentators tried to justify it by "even when Google paid to write an iMessage app themselves, Apple blocked it"
- GeekyBear 3y ago
  Google has used it's internet video monopoly as a weapon against Microsoft's competing smart phone platform AND Amazon's competing smart assistant platform. Apple doesn't have a monopoly position to abuse in when it comes to texting. Google, on the other hand, does nave a monopoly position on internet video, and a history of using that monopoly as a weapon against competing platforms.

satvikpendem 3y ago

Why the whataboutism? They both have flaws. By iMessage blocking, you surely knew that I didn't mean just interoperability via SMS. If Apple adopted RCS or some other such standard, Android users and iPhone users could talk without having a degraded experience on either side. Apple executives literally admitted that not expanding iMessage ensured that people would continue to buy iPhones: > app.)...In the absence of a strategy to become the primary messaging service for [the] bulk of cell phone users, I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...

GeekyBear 3y ago
> By iMessage blocking, you surely knew that I didn't mean just interoperability via SMS It's not blocking at all, when you explicitly support interoperation. The only example that can obviously be called "blocking" is when Google used it's internet video monopoly as a weapon against Microsoft's competing smart phone platform. Refusing to allow anyone to produce a Youtube app for Windows Phone isn't even in the same zip code as Google not writing a Youtube app themselves.
- stale2002 3y ago
  Since it seems like you are not aware, you should know that the functionality available for iMessage is different on other platforms. That may be causing your confusing here. You weren't aware of the functionality difference that Apple prevents other platforms from using with their design choices. I'd recommend that you research which functionality is prevented on other platforms, since you didn't seem to know about it.
  - GeekyBear 3y ago
    Are we both talking about a text messaging app that can send text messages to any device that supports the universal SMS standard? That's not blocking. A good example of blocking is not allowing any developers on a competing smart phone platform to write an app that allows users to access your monopoly internet video platform.
    - stale2002 3y ago
      > Are we both talking about a text messaging app We are talking about iMessage. Were you not aware of the functionality differences, cross platform? I can totally understand if you weren't aware of them, because you had only used one type of phone, for example. It can be hard to know about things like this, depending on ones personal experience.
    - ewoodrich 3y ago
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-teens-dread-the-green-text-bubble-11641618009 https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-apples-imessage-is-winning-... Apple is pretty clearly blocking Google (or any other Android app developer) from implementing this functionality and greatly benefits from it. Particularly relevant for the age demographic this thread originally referenced.
      - GeekyBear 3y ago
        > Apple is pretty clearly blocking Google (or any other Android app developer) from implementing this functionality What functionality? Give some concrete examples.
        ewoodrich 3y ago
        High res photos is the most egregious example.
        GeekyBear 3y ago

magicalist 3y ago

> iMessage has always worked with any device that supports SMS youtube has always worked in a web browser. Meanwhile I'm laughing about how fast Apple would come down on Google if they made their own Android chat that tapped into iMessage and internet commentators tried to justify it by "even when Google paid to write an iMessage app themselves, Apple blocked it"

GeekyBear 3y ago
Google has used it's internet video monopoly as a weapon against Microsoft's competing smart phone platform AND Amazon's competing smart assistant platform. Apple doesn't have a monopoly position to abuse in when it comes to texting. Google, on the other hand, does nave a monopoly position on internet video, and a history of using that monopoly as a weapon against competing platforms.