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Hell of a bluff to try and call, especially when a bad call causes you to punch yourself in the groin, hard.

by tekla 3y ago

readthenotes1 3y ago
Cut off your nose to spite your face
ehnto 3y ago
It does have precedence though. What Facebook would do when backed into this particular corner has played out in other countries.
- graeme 3y ago
  False. Australia is the example often cited, but Australia caved and elected not to apply the law to Google and Facebook. Instead, Facebook and Google made deals outside of the law. These deals were surely larger than their earlier deals, but small enough they could live with them. The terms were never published. Seeing how misperception of this led directly to the Canadian law, my suspicion is Meta is now done with the charade lest others copy it, and will keep news out unless the law is repealed. There are, to my knowledge, zero countries where Meta engaged in a forced negotiation framework such as the Canadian law. If you disagree, could you please name one?
  - cpncrunch 3y ago
    This article seems to explain the differences: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/meta-australia-google-news-canada-1.6925726 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/meta-australia-google-news-can...
  - ehnto 3y ago
    Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was suggesting that Facebook has yet to comply to these kinds of rules directly and as you noted for Australia, they made their own deal.
j45 3y ago
There is likely engagement statistics available from other countries on how much engagement was/wasn't lost, and how it changed in other contries where this was started. With the erosion of local and hyper-local news in Canada and North America - the media that was largely being cut out is the national chains who are shutting down many of the local papers and leaving broader, more generalized coverage that is not regionally accurate in some cases. Hyper local media wouldn't have the $ to lobby like this. It's not entirely unclear how much they were consulted in a meaningful way. For example hearing something about the real estate industry in "Canada" often means Toronto, or Vancouver only, when there are plenty of interesting things happening in other areas contrary to this reporting, much like the US. Edit; Typos

Hell of a bluff to try and call, especially when a bad call causes you to punch yourself in the groin, hard.

by tekla 3y ago

Hell of a bluff to try and call, especially when a bad call causes you to punch yourself in the groin, hard.

readthenotes1 3y ago

Cut off your nose to spite your face

ehnto 3y ago

It does have precedence though. What Facebook would do when backed into this particular corner has played out in other countries.

graeme 3y ago
False. Australia is the example often cited, but Australia caved and elected not to apply the law to Google and Facebook. Instead, Facebook and Google made deals outside of the law. These deals were surely larger than their earlier deals, but small enough they could live with them. The terms were never published. Seeing how misperception of this led directly to the Canadian law, my suspicion is Meta is now done with the charade lest others copy it, and will keep news out unless the law is repealed. There are, to my knowledge, zero countries where Meta engaged in a forced negotiation framework such as the Canadian law. If you disagree, could you please name one?
- cpncrunch 3y ago
  This article seems to explain the differences: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/meta-australia-google-news-canada-1.6925726 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/meta-australia-google-news-can...
- ehnto 3y ago
  Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was suggesting that Facebook has yet to comply to these kinds of rules directly and as you noted for Australia, they made their own deal.

j45 3y ago

There is likely engagement statistics available from other countries on how much engagement was/wasn't lost, and how it changed in other contries where this was started. With the erosion of local and hyper-local news in Canada and North America - the media that was largely being cut out is the national chains who are shutting down many of the local papers and leaving broader, more generalized coverage that is not regionally accurate in some cases. Hyper local media wouldn't have the $ to lobby like this. It's not entirely unclear how much they were consulted in a meaningful way. For example hearing something about the real estate industry in "Canada" often means Toronto, or Vancouver only, when there are plenty of interesting things happening in other areas contrary to this reporting, much like the US. Edit; Typos