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The "FTP Server" page says: > Since FTP is still widely used, generally any web browser supported today will allow you to connect. But unfortunately this is o

The "FTP Server" page says: > Since FTP is still widely used, generally any web browser supported today will allow you to connect. But unfortunately this is out of date. The page was last updated in 2016, but both Chrome and Firefox dropped support for FTP in 2021.

metadat 3y ago
Yes, a pretty lame and short-sighted decision by product management. Suddenly, millions of perfectly good links to resources stopped working without a 3rd party FTP client. Does Safari still support FTP? It would be remarkable if Brave re-enabled support for FTP. It increasingly seems like Brave is our best hope for a pro-user, pro-usability web browser.
- guestbest 3y ago
  Brave is anything but pro-user. It just a convenient built in ad blocker (unlock origin, I think) that also works with blocking YouTube ads. Once upon a time it had this thing called BAT (stilll does but don’t use it) that requires KYC to use but helped spread its marketing getting people to believe viewing ads could make them money, a few dollars a day for popover ads.. big whoop
  - metadat 3y ago
    Sure, and now with Mozilla having accumulated a parasitic CEO who syphons millions of dollars per year to her personal bank account and prioritizes tracking and paid-features over user interests, what do we have left to hope for in the browser space? Mozilla is registered as a non-profit, but the well is poisoned.
    - safety1st 3y ago
      Accumulated is a strange word choice. Just to be clear, while I'm not a fan of her recent performance as CEO, Baker wrote the Mozilla Public License, was running Mozilla as its General Manager in 1999, and was there pretty much since day one (her corporate bio calls her a co-founder which might be an embellishment, but only slightly). I think she's the wrong person for the job and the Foundation is more about pushing left-wing politics now than it is about developing software (as in literally, they've been cutting their budget for software development, and giving the money to a bunch of left wing non-tech stuff instead). Credit where credit is due though she is not a "parasite" who just rocked up out of nowhere.
      - metadat 3y ago
        What she did in the past matters far less than what she's doing right now. As of now, she's a parasitic bad actor against the interests of the greater good. This is not in line with the spirit in which Mozilla was founded. Does this person really warrant millions in annual comp? Why should she be able to afford an estate in Woodside, CA for running a critical non-profit into the ground? It's devolved into a ridiculous situation.
        safety1st 3y ago
        Like I said I don't think she should have the job. But clarity is important and getting the facts right is important. (I also think the CEO comp is a bit of a sideshow, she was working for way below market before she got the increases, but of course, the right thing to do was not to give a non-performing CEO a raise, it was to fire her and hire someone who would perform and pay them market.) Mozilla's very clearly a case where politics won over engineering. This is true in a very literal and unambiguous way: Former CEO Brendan Eich, an engineer, was fired for his controversial political beliefs (he didn't like gay marriage). He was then replaced by a non-engineer: a lawyer who proceeded to funnel money away from engineering and toward left wing political groups. That's what a triumph of politics over engineering looks like. This is all documented in their public finances. Lunduke did a recent article on it: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest... (now watch the political activists come out of the woodwork because I've dared to invoke an "alt right" guy's name, and do their best to drown out the point about how Mozilla keeps cutting their engineering budget). Bottom line, politics won, engineering lost, Firefox is in freefall, and the fate of the open web is in jeopardy because of it. All I'm saying is let's be clear and specific about what went down here. The problem runs much deeper than Mitchell's pay.
      - voytec 3y ago
        > Credit where credit is due though she is not a "parasite" who just rocked up out of nowhere. There's also OpenMRS Inc.[1] and possibly other non-profits. [1] https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/RES/OpenMRS+Inc.+Board+of+Directors https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/RES/OpenMRS+Inc.+Board+of+D...
    - intelVISA 3y ago
      The next disruptor in the browser space will not be from Mozilla nor Brave that's for sure. Disclaimer: I'm making it.
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  Brave is just another Chromium fork, so no it's not going to save you (or anyone).
  - netsharc 3y ago
    I just got a glimpse of a possible (dark) future (in my mind, so not like I saw someone doing something in that direction): Google announces some sort of HTML replacement, which will be supported by Chromium, and sites using it will be treated favorably in their search results...
    - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago
      Don't give them any ideas
    - intelVISA 3y ago
      eHTML: it's enriched (with ad tech and meta data to sell) HTML Careful though, this may be closer to reality than you want to know.
- kalleboo 3y ago
  > Does Safari still support FTP? I don't think Safari has ever supported browsing FTP (it used to hand off FTP links to the Finder, but apparently even that has been disabled now?), but the macOS Finder can still mount an FTP server as a network drive.
cm2187 3y ago
Anything using early versions of SSL will likely be unsupported too. Certificate management is a decent form of planned obsolescence. I wonder how many of those industrial boxes that are meant to last for decades will die because of all sort of expiry dates baked all over the OS.

metadat 3y ago

Yes, a pretty lame and short-sighted decision by product management. Suddenly, millions of perfectly good links to resources stopped working without a 3rd party FTP client. Does Safari still support FTP? It would be remarkable if Brave re-enabled support for FTP. It increasingly seems like Brave is our best hope for a pro-user, pro-usability web browser.

guestbest 3y ago
Brave is anything but pro-user. It just a convenient built in ad blocker (unlock origin, I think) that also works with blocking YouTube ads. Once upon a time it had this thing called BAT (stilll does but don’t use it) that requires KYC to use but helped spread its marketing getting people to believe viewing ads could make them money, a few dollars a day for popover ads.. big whoop
- metadat 3y ago
  Sure, and now with Mozilla having accumulated a parasitic CEO who syphons millions of dollars per year to her personal bank account and prioritizes tracking and paid-features over user interests, what do we have left to hope for in the browser space? Mozilla is registered as a non-profit, but the well is poisoned.
  - safety1st 3y ago
    Accumulated is a strange word choice. Just to be clear, while I'm not a fan of her recent performance as CEO, Baker wrote the Mozilla Public License, was running Mozilla as its General Manager in 1999, and was there pretty much since day one (her corporate bio calls her a co-founder which might be an embellishment, but only slightly). I think she's the wrong person for the job and the Foundation is more about pushing left-wing politics now than it is about developing software (as in literally, they've been cutting their budget for software development, and giving the money to a bunch of left wing non-tech stuff instead). Credit where credit is due though she is not a "parasite" who just rocked up out of nowhere.
    - metadat 3y ago
      What she did in the past matters far less than what she's doing right now. As of now, she's a parasitic bad actor against the interests of the greater good. This is not in line with the spirit in which Mozilla was founded. Does this person really warrant millions in annual comp? Why should she be able to afford an estate in Woodside, CA for running a critical non-profit into the ground? It's devolved into a ridiculous situation.
      - safety1st 3y ago
        Like I said I don't think she should have the job. But clarity is important and getting the facts right is important. (I also think the CEO comp is a bit of a sideshow, she was working for way below market before she got the increases, but of course, the right thing to do was not to give a non-performing CEO a raise, it was to fire her and hire someone who would perform and pay them market.) Mozilla's very clearly a case where politics won over engineering. This is true in a very literal and unambiguous way: Former CEO Brendan Eich, an engineer, was fired for his controversial political beliefs (he didn't like gay marriage). He was then replaced by a non-engineer: a lawyer who proceeded to funnel money away from engineering and toward left wing political groups. That's what a triumph of politics over engineering looks like. This is all documented in their public finances. Lunduke did a recent article on it: https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-investigating-the-bizarre-finances-of-mozilla https://lunduke.locals.com/post/4387539/firefox-money-invest... (now watch the political activists come out of the woodwork because I've dared to invoke an "alt right" guy's name, and do their best to drown out the point about how Mozilla keeps cutting their engineering budget). Bottom line, politics won, engineering lost, Firefox is in freefall, and the fate of the open web is in jeopardy because of it. All I'm saying is let's be clear and specific about what went down here. The problem runs much deeper than Mitchell's pay.
    - voytec 3y ago
      > Credit where credit is due though she is not a "parasite" who just rocked up out of nowhere. There's also OpenMRS Inc.[1] and possibly other non-profits. [1] https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/RES/OpenMRS+Inc.+Board+of+Directors https://wiki.openmrs.org/display/RES/OpenMRS+Inc.+Board+of+D...
  - intelVISA 3y ago
    The next disruptor in the browser space will not be from Mozilla nor Brave that's for sure. Disclaimer: I'm making it.
Dalewyn 3y ago
Brave is just another Chromium fork, so no it's not going to save you (or anyone).
- netsharc 3y ago
  I just got a glimpse of a possible (dark) future (in my mind, so not like I saw someone doing something in that direction): Google announces some sort of HTML replacement, which will be supported by Chromium, and sites using it will be treated favorably in their search results...
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 3y ago
    Don't give them any ideas
  - intelVISA 3y ago
    eHTML: it's enriched (with ad tech and meta data to sell) HTML Careful though, this may be closer to reality than you want to know.
kalleboo 3y ago
> Does Safari still support FTP? I don't think Safari has ever supported browsing FTP (it used to hand off FTP links to the Finder, but apparently even that has been disabled now?), but the macOS Finder can still mount an FTP server as a network drive.

cm2187 3y ago

Anything using early versions of SSL will likely be unsupported too. Certificate management is a decent form of planned obsolescence. I wonder how many of those industrial boxes that are meant to last for decades will die because of all sort of expiry dates baked all over the OS.