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Cloudflare's business has always been that your ISP is just a dumb pipe not to connect you to the internet but the Cloudflarenet. All routing, security, etc dec
by mike_d 3y ago
Cloudflare's business has always been that your ISP is just a dumb pipe not to connect you to the internet but the Cloudflarenet. All routing, security, etc decisions should happen inside Cloudflare and you should be helpless to do any local security on your network.
It is amazing to me that if AT&T came out and said they were buying up every other ISP in the world to form one big unified network HN would be losing their shit, but Cloudflare slowly boils the frog and everyone cheers and evangelizes for them.
- Borg3 3y agoIts not only about Cloudflare. All those big companies are very centralized and try to control Internet more and more.. In my opinion battle is kinda over because 99.9% of people want ready to use product not contributing anything (consumers vs prosumers). What the remaining 0.1% can do? Build your own overlay VPN networks and put services there. Treat Internet just like transport layer. Make mirrors of interesting stuff and put in there. It might grow...
- Ms-J 3y agoCloudflare is one of the biggest threats to internet decentralization out there. I actively avoid sites that use CF for their TLS, if possible. Avoid these predators.
- marginalia_nu 3y agoWhat if you're struggling with bots? In excess of 99% of my traffic is from a botnet. CF sucks but I vouldn't offer a service without them.
- Ms-J 3y agoThere are alternative techniques and services, such as DDoS-Guard.
- Borg3 3y agoRussian company? Are you kidding me....
- Ms-J 3y agoA question I could ask is why does the country matter if the product works and does what it's supposed to do?
- Borg3 3y agoIn ideal world it would not matter, but business and politics are intermixed more or less pretty much everywhere. Unfortunatelly, countries like Russia or China have much more politics influence. Hence, I try to avoid them.
- Ms-J 3y agoI would agree that business and politics can be intermixed. I would follow up by saying it also depends on the type of business you are running and to whom you're catering to. If you're running a medium sized business and used say DDoS-guard, would anyone notice, care, or even know who that company is? I'd think it would be even less noticed than say CF, as CF stops connections to your site and display that whole verify process.
- inemesitaffia 3y agoIs it free? I pay only for my domain and use GitHub+cloudflare
- Ms-J 3y agoI don't believe it's free.
- intelVISA 3y agoOnly ppl I really see evanglizing CF on HN are CF employees themselves, most of us are well aware of the damage they're doing to the free internet