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Apple has over 75% of 18-24 year olds with their phone in their pocket.

constantcrying 3y ago
But how is this the result of Apple engaging in anti-competitive practices? 75% of people choosing your product can not be grounds to breakup a company and the fact that it looks different for other age groups is just further evidence that Apple is engaging in fair competition.
- ewoodrich 3y ago
  You could make an argument that number would be smaller if Apple was forced to make iMessage interoperable with Android devices.
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    It is interoperable already using SMS.
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    Seems like a very weak argument. Practically irrelevant for an anti-trust case I would say.
- satvikpendem 3y ago
  Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices and generally making Apple stuff only work with other Apple stuff, not to mention their 30% fees on their app store while also not allowing other app stores, are all anticompetitive practices, which the EU is well regulating soon.
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    Some of those may be reason to bring legal action, but breaking up Apple over this seems insane.
    - satvikpendem 3y ago
      Yeah I wouldn't break them up but they are anticompetitive which is what was asked.
  - GeekyBear 3y ago
    > Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices iMessage has always worked with any device that supports SMS. Google, on the other hand, actively blocked Windows Phone from having access to Youtube. Even when Microsoft paid to write a Youtube app themselves, Google blocked it. Google did the same thing and blocked Youtube on Amazon's Echo Show.
    - satvikpendem 3y ago
      Why the whataboutism? They both have flaws. By iMessage blocking, you surely knew that I didn't mean just interoperability via SMS. If Apple adopted RCS or some other such standard, Android users and iPhone users could talk without having a degraded experience on either side. Apple executives literally admitted that not expanding iMessage ensured that people would continue to buy iPhones: > app.)...In the absence of a strategy to become the primary messaging service for [the] bulk of cell phone users, I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...
      - GeekyBear 3y ago
        > By iMessage blocking, you surely knew that I didn't mean just interoperability via SMS It's not blocking at all, when you explicitly support interoperation. The only example that can obviously be called "blocking" is when Google used it's internet video monopoly as a weapon against Microsoft's competing smart phone platform. Refusing to allow anyone to produce a Youtube app for Windows Phone isn't even in the same zip code as Google not writing a Youtube app themselves.
        stale2002 3y ago
        Since it seems like you are not aware, you should know that the functionality available for iMessage is different on other platforms. That may be causing your confusing here. You weren't aware of the functionality difference that Apple prevents other platforms from using with their design choices. I'd recommend that you research which functionality is prevented on other platforms, since you didn't seem to know about it.
- waveBidder 3y ago
  Apple has specifically decided to not adopt texting standards, so that anyone not on an apple device can't participate in group chats.
  - easeout 3y ago
    I don't see how that would hold up in a court. They didn't adopt RCS and I can still have group chats by SMS. They didn't adopt USB Micro and I can still charge my phone with the cable that came in the box.
- LorenzoGood 3y ago
  Not adopting RCS, and insisting on using iMessage. I don't think this should cause antitrust litigation, but it is problematic.

But how is this the result of Apple engaging in anti-competitive practices? 75% of people choosing your product can not be grounds to breakup a company and the fact that it looks different for other age groups is just further evidence that Apple is engaging in fair competition.

ewoodrich 3y ago
You could make an argument that number would be smaller if Apple was forced to make iMessage interoperable with Android devices.
- charcircuit 3y ago
  It is interoperable already using SMS.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  Seems like a very weak argument. Practically irrelevant for an anti-trust case I would say.
satvikpendem 3y ago
Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices and generally making Apple stuff only work with other Apple stuff, not to mention their 30% fees on their app store while also not allowing other app stores, are all anticompetitive practices, which the EU is well regulating soon.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  Some of those may be reason to bring legal action, but breaking up Apple over this seems insane.
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    Yeah I wouldn't break them up but they are anticompetitive which is what was asked.
- GeekyBear 3y ago
  > Blocking iMessage on non Apple devices iMessage has always worked with any device that supports SMS. Google, on the other hand, actively blocked Windows Phone from having access to Youtube. Even when Microsoft paid to write a Youtube app themselves, Google blocked it. Google did the same thing and blocked Youtube on Amazon's Echo Show.
  - satvikpendem 3y ago
    Why the whataboutism? They both have flaws. By iMessage blocking, you surely knew that I didn't mean just interoperability via SMS. If Apple adopted RCS or some other such standard, Android users and iPhone users could talk without having a degraded experience on either side. Apple executives literally admitted that not expanding iMessage ensured that people would continue to buy iPhones: > app.)...In the absence of a strategy to become the primary messaging service for [the] bulk of cell phone users, I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android-eddy-cue-emails-apple-epic-deposition https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406303/imessage-android...
    - GeekyBear 3y ago
      > By iMessage blocking, you surely knew that I didn't mean just interoperability via SMS It's not blocking at all, when you explicitly support interoperation. The only example that can obviously be called "blocking" is when Google used it's internet video monopoly as a weapon against Microsoft's competing smart phone platform. Refusing to allow anyone to produce a Youtube app for Windows Phone isn't even in the same zip code as Google not writing a Youtube app themselves.
      - stale2002 3y ago
        Since it seems like you are not aware, you should know that the functionality available for iMessage is different on other platforms. That may be causing your confusing here. You weren't aware of the functionality difference that Apple prevents other platforms from using with their design choices. I'd recommend that you research which functionality is prevented on other platforms, since you didn't seem to know about it.
waveBidder 3y ago
Apple has specifically decided to not adopt texting standards, so that anyone not on an apple device can't participate in group chats.
- easeout 3y ago
  I don't see how that would hold up in a court. They didn't adopt RCS and I can still have group chats by SMS. They didn't adopt USB Micro and I can still charge my phone with the cable that came in the box.
LorenzoGood 3y ago
Not adopting RCS, and insisting on using iMessage. I don't think this should cause antitrust litigation, but it is problematic.