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Why? Why would an employer care about studies? They have either seen a drop in productivity or they haven't. They couldn't care less about what other employers

by injb 3y ago

Why? Why would an employer care about studies? They have either seen a drop in productivity or they haven't. They couldn't care less about what other employers are experiencing.

p_j_w 3y ago
> They have either seen a drop in productivity or they haven't. Some of them are claiming that they have, but none have shown anything resembling evidence or numbers, there’s been nothing but hand waving about the value of water cooler talk. There’s no reason to believe a word they’re saying.
- deleted 3y ago
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- voisin 3y ago
  Employers have no obligation to provide studies. They set the rules if they pay the salaries. Employees can choose to leave. In the end, the decisions by both will determine winners and losers. That’s a market!
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    Nobody is suggesting otherwise, obviously. The conversation is about whether there is a drop in productivity and what evidence we have of it, not whether employers have an obligation to collect or share such evidence.
hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago
I challenge you to measure the productivity of middle management.
Johnny555 3y ago
Without an actual formal study, I'm skeptical that an employer can accurately measure productivity. Unless of course they are in a stagnant industry where the tasks today are exactly the same as yesterday, like counting widgets built on an assembly line.
porlb 3y ago
Why would employees care about made up office busy work problems?
Shalle135 3y ago
When looking at my employer - they’re enforcing a 3/2 hybrid model during the last 6 months. Before that more or less everybody worked from home 100%. During the WFH period we had more deployments & less incidents than ever. In addition we had less sick leaves (due to tolerance being higher when WFH). Yet - the leadership is ignoring this and enforcing the hybrid model.
ethanbond 3y ago
Because any good thinker of any sort knows that their locally experienced “vibes” are rather fallible? Because sharing these insights could help convince at least some employees to RTO? Because it’s good to have credibility and look like a sensible decision-maker in the eyes of your employees? Note: Studies includes internal studies or analysis of a company’s own performance.

by injb 3y ago

Why? Why would an employer care about studies? They have either seen a drop in productivity or they haven't. They couldn't care less about what other employers are experiencing.

p_j_w 3y ago

> They have either seen a drop in productivity or they haven't. Some of them are claiming that they have, but none have shown anything resembling evidence or numbers, there’s been nothing but hand waving about the value of water cooler talk. There’s no reason to believe a word they’re saying.

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voisin 3y ago
Employers have no obligation to provide studies. They set the rules if they pay the salaries. Employees can choose to leave. In the end, the decisions by both will determine winners and losers. That’s a market!
- ethanbond 3y ago
  Nobody is suggesting otherwise, obviously. The conversation is about whether there is a drop in productivity and what evidence we have of it, not whether employers have an obligation to collect or share such evidence.

hdjjhhvvhga 3y ago

I challenge you to measure the productivity of middle management.

Johnny555 3y ago

Without an actual formal study, I'm skeptical that an employer can accurately measure productivity. Unless of course they are in a stagnant industry where the tasks today are exactly the same as yesterday, like counting widgets built on an assembly line.

porlb 3y ago

Why would employees care about made up office busy work problems?

Shalle135 3y ago

When looking at my employer - they’re enforcing a 3/2 hybrid model during the last 6 months. Before that more or less everybody worked from home 100%. During the WFH period we had more deployments & less incidents than ever. In addition we had less sick leaves (due to tolerance being higher when WFH). Yet - the leadership is ignoring this and enforcing the hybrid model.

ethanbond 3y ago

Because any good thinker of any sort knows that their locally experienced “vibes” are rather fallible? Because sharing these insights could help convince at least some employees to RTO? Because it’s good to have credibility and look like a sensible decision-maker in the eyes of your employees? Note: Studies includes internal studies or analysis of a company’s own performance.