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That's incorrect. We have significant surplus of electricity in Winter so long as gas generators (the companies that extract natural gas from the ground) can ef
by vorpalhex 3y ago
That's incorrect. We have significant surplus of electricity in Winter so long as gas generators (the companies that extract natural gas from the ground) can effectively work. The problem being that if gas extraction gear gets too cold (meaningfully below freezing) then it stops working, or at least works poorly.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoSo.. it is correct?
- Rapzid 3y agoIt's not correct. Texas has enough power in "the winter"; the average winter. A few outlier events don't change that unless your being hyperbolic.
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoHow many "few" cases are needed to no longer be "hyperbolic".
- vorpalhex 3y agoMore than two in 50 years?
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago180 in 20 years. https://www.sacurrent.com/news/texas-experienced-more-power-outages-than-any-other-state-over-the-past-20-years-report-says-29896472 https://www.sacurrent.com/news/texas-experienced-more-power-... I think you are thinking in terms of there were 'only two state wide catastrophic failures that took down entire grid and became national news so I remember them'. But really, isn't that a pretty low bar? 'we've only had 2 complete state wide grid collapses, what's the problem'.
- vorpalhex 3y agoBut those 179 outages weren't "the grid" or "not enough power". We are the single largest state in the continental US. You can fit Britain into Texas 3x over. That's a LOT of power lines! Most of which are not in cities. Of course we are going to have power outages that are localized!
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoI'm not saying the entire grid went down 180 times. You said "2". There should be more than 2 before we worry. Sorry, if you were very narrowly defining this to only 2 "Major Winter Outages". I was saying, how many problems do we need before we can say something without being considered 'hyperbolic'. There are a lot more outages. People just remember the big ones, and forget the rest. It's trying to argue when people only have short term memory. Yeah, there were 2 big ones that people remember, that isn't all of them. Things aren't normal if there is an increasing rate.
- vorpalhex 3y agoYou didn't show an increasing rate. We were discussing grid failures, of in which there have been two in 50 years, both caused by an extreme period of low temps. We can talk about weather events and localized incidents. It's really boring the moment we adjust for size or even per capita.
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoYou are right. I mixed up a few different threads to this post, between purely 'winter outages', 'total demand', 'general climate'. I also didn't check if the article I cited was per-capita or not, or even per-Total Area, or something. If it wasn't, and since Texas is bigger, then that un-fairly tilts the numbers. And of course, with any numbers this year, almost all replies are 'it's el-nino'. And that is true. So guess we step back and wait another few years for a more compelling trend? See if everything really does average out next year.
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- FrustratedMonky 3y agoLOL. That is funny. >"We have significant surplus of electricity in Winter" Unless it's >"too cold"