5 ms·

Basing taxes on income and/or expenditures as opposed to property, and supplying a universal basic level of support for necessities? As things are now, many or

Basing taxes on income and/or expenditures as opposed to property, and supplying a universal basic level of support for necessities? As things are now, many or most are defacto forced to work(and consume - I believe the two are correlated {e.g. "I'm working like hell but will make up for it with a big vacation"}). I believe universal guarantees of the necessities are justified in virtue of most or all resources being privitized and opportunities regulated. Besides, it appears many or most don't have an appetite to watch their fellow citizens starve or go completely without. Please note that many or most people don't really want to "do nothing", they just want acceptable circumstances. It's hard for acceptable circumstances to exist in an environment that values extreme wealth. (For example, intellectually it may not seem like a big deal to compensate for increasing expenses by "working a little harder", but at some point that becomes "a lot harder".)

myshpa 3y ago
Degrowth (we're consuming resources of 1.7 earths/year) & UBI
- landemva 3y ago
  How to degrowth USA federal spending?
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - myshpa 3y ago
    The problem is exponential growth (economy) in a finite environment (Earth). https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_accel-12graph-SE.png https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_acc... We've already crossed safe earth boundaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_overshoot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_overshoot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_boundaries#/media/File:PB_2022_green_water.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_boundaries#/media/Fi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity#Recent_Warnings_that_Humanity_May_Have_Exceeded_Earth's_Carrying_Capacity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity#Recent_Warni... How the financial system drives unsustainable, exponential growth: - Profit Imperative: Prioritizing shareholder profits often overshadows environmental and social considerations - Debt-Based Economy: The need to repay loans with interest fuels constant economic growth - Short-Term Focus: Financial markets can prioritize immediate gains over long-term sustainability. - Externalized Costs: Businesses can offload certain environmental or social costs, profiting without bearing these expenses. - Speculative Investments: Instruments like derivatives can lead to rapid, unsustainable wealth bubbles. - Growth Metrics: Overreliance on metrics like GDP that don't distinguish between positive and negative growth. - Financialization of Nature: Turning nature into commodities can lead to exploitation. - Misaligned Incentives: Financial rewards can drive growth-focused decisions over sustainable ones. - Consumer Debt: Encouraging consumption through easy access to credit. - Globalization: Capital seeking high returns can exploit regions with lax regulations. - Lack of Sustainable Investment: Historically limited focus on investing in sustainable sectors. - Overemphasis on Efficiency - financially efficient practices might not account for environmental costs Other drivers of exponential growth: - Consumerism: The cultural emphasis on consumption as a marker of success or happiness encourages overconsumption and waste. - Technological Advancements: While technology can aid sustainability, it can also drive faster resource extraction and consumption, especially if not directed towards sustainable outcomes. - Population Growth: A growing global population increases demand for resources, energy, food, and housing. - Policy and Regulation: Inadequate environmental regulations or policies that favor unsustainable industries can exacerbate resource depletion and environmental degradation. - Economic Paradigms: Traditional economic models that prioritize GDP growth often overlook ecological and social boundaries. - Information Asymmetry: Lack of knowledge or awareness about sustainable practices among consumers and producers can perpetuate unsustainable behaviors. - Infrastructure: Built environments and transportation networks that favor car use over walking, cycling, or public transportation can drive up carbon emissions. - Limited Resource Pricing: Not accounting for the true environmental costs of resources (like water or clean air) can lead to overconsumption. - Short-Term Political Cycles: Politicians might prioritize immediate economic gains over long-term sustainability due to the short duration of their terms. - Global Supply Chains: Long, opaque supply chains can hide unsustainable practices and make accountability challenging. - Cultural Values and Norms: Societal values that prioritize individual wealth accumulation over communal well-being or stewardship of nature. - External Pressures: International trade, competition, and geopolitics can pressure nations to prioritize growth over sustainability. - Lack of Education: Inadequate emphasis on environmental education leaves many without the knowledge to make sustainable choices. - Resource Ownership: Common resources like oceans or forests might suffer from the "tragedy of the commons," where individual users act in their interest contrary to the common good. All these areas (and more) need to be addressed. It's obvious that this cannot be condensed into just a few social media comments :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrowth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrowth Degrowth https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/06/what-is-degrowth-economics-climate-change/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/06/what-is-degrowth-econ... Degrowth – what's behind the economic theory and why does it matter right now? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x Degrowth can work — here’s how science can help https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-06-07/the-future-is-degrowth-and-degrowth-strategy-a-review-in-dialogue/ https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-06-07/the-future-is-... ‘The Future is Degrowth’ and ‘Degrowth & Strategy’: a Review in Dialogue https://mayflybooks.org/degrowth-strategy/ https://mayflybooks.org/degrowth-strategy/ Degrowth & Strategy: how to bring about social-ecological transformation
    - mistrial9 3y ago
      naming problems does not fix things many of these are in action right now? with what results?
      - myshpa 3y ago
        Come on... nobody has even started talking seriously about it yet. You'd surely hear about it if it were being worked on. It's so complex that politicians, with their short-term outlook, must be scared sh*tless just thinking about it.
      - myshpa 3y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37025595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37025595 Report: https://www.unep.org/resources/emissions-gap-report-2022 https://www.unep.org/resources/emissions-gap-report-2022 As growing climate change impacts are experienced across the globe, the message that greenhouse gas emissions must fall is unambiguous. Yet the Emissions Gap Report (EGR) 2022: The Closing Window – Climate crisis calls for rapid transformation of societies finds that the international community is falling far short of the Paris goals, with no credible pathway to 1.5°C in place. Only an urgent system-wide transformation can avoid climate disaster.
monsecchris 3y ago
I’m excited to have my food and air supply stopped because I didn’t repeat the narrative.

myshpa 3y ago

Degrowth (we're consuming resources of 1.7 earths/year) & UBI

landemva 3y ago
How to degrowth USA federal spending?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- myshpa 3y ago
  The problem is exponential growth (economy) in a finite environment (Earth). https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_accel-12graph-SE.png https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_acc... We've already crossed safe earth boundaries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_overshoot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_overshoot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_boundaries#/media/File:PB_2022_green_water.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_boundaries#/media/Fi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity#Recent_Warnings_that_Humanity_May_Have_Exceeded_Earth's_Carrying_Capacity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrying_capacity#Recent_Warni... How the financial system drives unsustainable, exponential growth: - Profit Imperative: Prioritizing shareholder profits often overshadows environmental and social considerations - Debt-Based Economy: The need to repay loans with interest fuels constant economic growth - Short-Term Focus: Financial markets can prioritize immediate gains over long-term sustainability. - Externalized Costs: Businesses can offload certain environmental or social costs, profiting without bearing these expenses. - Speculative Investments: Instruments like derivatives can lead to rapid, unsustainable wealth bubbles. - Growth Metrics: Overreliance on metrics like GDP that don't distinguish between positive and negative growth. - Financialization of Nature: Turning nature into commodities can lead to exploitation. - Misaligned Incentives: Financial rewards can drive growth-focused decisions over sustainable ones. - Consumer Debt: Encouraging consumption through easy access to credit. - Globalization: Capital seeking high returns can exploit regions with lax regulations. - Lack of Sustainable Investment: Historically limited focus on investing in sustainable sectors. - Overemphasis on Efficiency - financially efficient practices might not account for environmental costs Other drivers of exponential growth: - Consumerism: The cultural emphasis on consumption as a marker of success or happiness encourages overconsumption and waste. - Technological Advancements: While technology can aid sustainability, it can also drive faster resource extraction and consumption, especially if not directed towards sustainable outcomes. - Population Growth: A growing global population increases demand for resources, energy, food, and housing. - Policy and Regulation: Inadequate environmental regulations or policies that favor unsustainable industries can exacerbate resource depletion and environmental degradation. - Economic Paradigms: Traditional economic models that prioritize GDP growth often overlook ecological and social boundaries. - Information Asymmetry: Lack of knowledge or awareness about sustainable practices among consumers and producers can perpetuate unsustainable behaviors. - Infrastructure: Built environments and transportation networks that favor car use over walking, cycling, or public transportation can drive up carbon emissions. - Limited Resource Pricing: Not accounting for the true environmental costs of resources (like water or clean air) can lead to overconsumption. - Short-Term Political Cycles: Politicians might prioritize immediate economic gains over long-term sustainability due to the short duration of their terms. - Global Supply Chains: Long, opaque supply chains can hide unsustainable practices and make accountability challenging. - Cultural Values and Norms: Societal values that prioritize individual wealth accumulation over communal well-being or stewardship of nature. - External Pressures: International trade, competition, and geopolitics can pressure nations to prioritize growth over sustainability. - Lack of Education: Inadequate emphasis on environmental education leaves many without the knowledge to make sustainable choices. - Resource Ownership: Common resources like oceans or forests might suffer from the "tragedy of the commons," where individual users act in their interest contrary to the common good. All these areas (and more) need to be addressed. It's obvious that this cannot be condensed into just a few social media comments :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrowth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrowth Degrowth https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/06/what-is-degrowth-economics-climate-change/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/06/what-is-degrowth-econ... Degrowth – what's behind the economic theory and why does it matter right now? https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04412-x Degrowth can work — here’s how science can help https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-06-07/the-future-is-degrowth-and-degrowth-strategy-a-review-in-dialogue/ https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-06-07/the-future-is-... ‘The Future is Degrowth’ and ‘Degrowth & Strategy’: a Review in Dialogue https://mayflybooks.org/degrowth-strategy/ https://mayflybooks.org/degrowth-strategy/ Degrowth & Strategy: how to bring about social-ecological transformation
  - mistrial9 3y ago
    naming problems does not fix things many of these are in action right now? with what results?
    - myshpa 3y ago
      Come on... nobody has even started talking seriously about it yet. You'd surely hear about it if it were being worked on. It's so complex that politicians, with their short-term outlook, must be scared sh*tless just thinking about it.
    - myshpa 3y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37025595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37025595 Report: https://www.unep.org/resources/emissions-gap-report-2022 https://www.unep.org/resources/emissions-gap-report-2022 As growing climate change impacts are experienced across the globe, the message that greenhouse gas emissions must fall is unambiguous. Yet the Emissions Gap Report (EGR) 2022: The Closing Window – Climate crisis calls for rapid transformation of societies finds that the international community is falling far short of the Paris goals, with no credible pathway to 1.5°C in place. Only an urgent system-wide transformation can avoid climate disaster.

monsecchris 3y ago

I’m excited to have my food and air supply stopped because I didn’t repeat the narrative.