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Ok. Some rando can also push you on the track as the subway comes in. I think last year it was close to 100 deaths on the subway in NYC. It's pretty much the sa

by dudul 3y ago

Ok. Some rando can also push you on the track as the subway comes in. I think last year it was close to 100 deaths on the subway in NYC. It's pretty much the same amount of pedestrians who died in a car accident. Not saying it's completely equivalent. A lot of these were probably suicides and all, but let's not pretend subways are a magical utopia full of unicorns.

DonHopkins 3y ago
You're really stretching and hallucinating to miss the point. Did I mention magic or unicorns? Look up the facts instead of just making shit up and trying to put your crazy words into other people's mouths. https://nypost.com/2023/04/02/nyc-subway-track-deaths-soar-driven-by-social-media-dares/ https://nypost.com/2023/04/02/nyc-subway-track-deaths-soar-d... >In fact, it’s startling the number of deaths underground could even begin to rival the number of deaths above ground, where unlicensed and drunk drivers speed and take fast turns. >What’s going on? Of 1,365 known subway-track incidents in 2022 (most of which didn’t end in death), about 15% were accidental falls or medical emergencies, a new MTA analysis finds. >A thankfully surprisingly low number — fewer than 10% — was suicides or suicide attempts. >An even smaller percentage was assaults — that is, people being pushed to the tracks. (Though with pushes to the tracks comprising three of last year’s 10 subway murders, a 30-year high, a small percentage is too many.) >In most cases — well more than two-thirds — people ended up on the tracks voluntarily. >In 20% of total cases, people were clearly mentally ill (but not attempting suicide); in another 10% or so, people were drugged or drunk. >And in nearly half of total trespassing cases, the MTA or NYPD found people just walking the tracks — walking to homeless encampments on MTA property, writing graffiti, just . . . wandering about. >Two such trespassers were graffiti writers from France; they died under a Brooklyn train last April. >And some “accidents” — more and more — are subway surfers. >Two 15-year-old surfers have been killed in the past four months, and another 15-year-old lost his arm this year. The numbers you pulled out of your ass are so extremely off from the reality. https://jknylaw.com/new-york-car-accident-lawyer/statistics https://jknylaw.com/new-york-car-accident-lawyer/statistics >How Many Car Accidents Are There in NYC Every Year? >It depends on the year. In 2019, there were a total of 134,224 car accidents in New York City. In 2020, the year of a raging pandemic, reported collisions declined by roughly 50%, for a total of 88,323. In 2021, a year still largely influenced by COVID, accidents increased to a total of 97,059. As of October 2022, there have been 52,341 car accidents year-to-date in the Big Apple based on preliminary data. >So, despite the fact that NYC came to a near-halt in 2020, there was still an average of 303 car accidents on the city’s streets every single day that year. And things have only gotten worse since then – although it is too early to tell for 2022. [...] >How Many Accidents in NYC Are Fatal? >Every year, hundreds of people are killed in car accidents in New York City: 2019: 211 car accident fatalities 2020: 235 car accident fatalities 2021: 245 car accident fatalities >The years 2020 and 2021 saw a slight surge in the share of fatal crashes, despite a drop in the total number of collisions. [...] >How Often Are Pedestrians Involving New York Traffic Accidents? >In 2021, 8.9% of all motor vehicle accidents in the city involved a pedestrian. >That year, there were a total of 8,693 pedestrian accidents. 7,205 caused an injury, while the remaining 125 were fatal. >Brooklyn is the most dangerous borough for pedestrians, while Staten Island is the safest: Brooklyn: 2,956 pedestrian accidents (34.0%) Queens: 2,002 pedestrian accidents (23.0%) Bronx: 1,748 pedestrian accidents (20.1%) Manhattan: 1,740 pedestrian accidents (20.0%) Staten Island: 247 pedestrian accidents (2.8%) Statistically speaking, about 3 out of every 5 pedestrian accidents take place in Brooklyn or Queens. Why do you resort to making stuff up when it's so easy to just look it up, thus so easy to prove you're wrong? What's your motivation to lie in such an easily exposed way? Where are your citations proving anyone ever claimed subways are a magical utopia full of unicorns?
- dudul 3y ago
  Dude, my numbers are literally in your link "But as with everything else in New York in the past three years, things went awry. Last year’s 88 track deaths were 35% above the 2018 and 2019 averages — 65 each year. For context, 120 pedestrians died above ground last year in crashes with cars or trucks, close to the average of 121 in 2018 and 2019" You are even repeating them - and nicely moving the goal post from "death" to "injury". Using "safety " to argue against cars is not productive, "safety" can be applied anywhere and everywhere.

by dudul 3y ago

DonHopkins 3y ago

You're really stretching and hallucinating to miss the point. Did I mention magic or unicorns? Look up the facts instead of just making shit up and trying to put your crazy words into other people's mouths. https://nypost.com/2023/04/02/nyc-subway-track-deaths-soar-driven-by-social-media-dares/ https://nypost.com/2023/04/02/nyc-subway-track-deaths-soar-d... >In fact, it’s startling the number of deaths underground could even begin to rival the number of deaths above ground, where unlicensed and drunk drivers speed and take fast turns. >What’s going on? Of 1,365 known subway-track incidents in 2022 (most of which didn’t end in death), about 15% were accidental falls or medical emergencies, a new MTA analysis finds. >A thankfully surprisingly low number — fewer than 10% — was suicides or suicide attempts. >An even smaller percentage was assaults — that is, people being pushed to the tracks. (Though with pushes to the tracks comprising three of last year’s 10 subway murders, a 30-year high, a small percentage is too many.) >In most cases — well more than two-thirds — people ended up on the tracks voluntarily. >In 20% of total cases, people were clearly mentally ill (but not attempting suicide); in another 10% or so, people were drugged or drunk. >And in nearly half of total trespassing cases, the MTA or NYPD found people just walking the tracks — walking to homeless encampments on MTA property, writing graffiti, just . . . wandering about. >Two such trespassers were graffiti writers from France; they died under a Brooklyn train last April. >And some “accidents” — more and more — are subway surfers. >Two 15-year-old surfers have been killed in the past four months, and another 15-year-old lost his arm this year. The numbers you pulled out of your ass are so extremely off from the reality. https://jknylaw.com/new-york-car-accident-lawyer/statistics https://jknylaw.com/new-york-car-accident-lawyer/statistics >How Many Car Accidents Are There in NYC Every Year? >It depends on the year. In 2019, there were a total of 134,224 car accidents in New York City. In 2020, the year of a raging pandemic, reported collisions declined by roughly 50%, for a total of 88,323. In 2021, a year still largely influenced by COVID, accidents increased to a total of 97,059. As of October 2022, there have been 52,341 car accidents year-to-date in the Big Apple based on preliminary data. >So, despite the fact that NYC came to a near-halt in 2020, there was still an average of 303 car accidents on the city’s streets every single day that year. And things have only gotten worse since then – although it is too early to tell for 2022. [...] >How Many Accidents in NYC Are Fatal? >Every year, hundreds of people are killed in car accidents in New York City: 2019: 211 car accident fatalities 2020: 235 car accident fatalities 2021: 245 car accident fatalities >The years 2020 and 2021 saw a slight surge in the share of fatal crashes, despite a drop in the total number of collisions. [...] >How Often Are Pedestrians Involving New York Traffic Accidents? >In 2021, 8.9% of all motor vehicle accidents in the city involved a pedestrian. >That year, there were a total of 8,693 pedestrian accidents. 7,205 caused an injury, while the remaining 125 were fatal. >Brooklyn is the most dangerous borough for pedestrians, while Staten Island is the safest: Brooklyn: 2,956 pedestrian accidents (34.0%) Queens: 2,002 pedestrian accidents (23.0%) Bronx: 1,748 pedestrian accidents (20.1%) Manhattan: 1,740 pedestrian accidents (20.0%) Staten Island: 247 pedestrian accidents (2.8%) Statistically speaking, about 3 out of every 5 pedestrian accidents take place in Brooklyn or Queens. Why do you resort to making stuff up when it's so easy to just look it up, thus so easy to prove you're wrong? What's your motivation to lie in such an easily exposed way? Where are your citations proving anyone ever claimed subways are a magical utopia full of unicorns?

dudul 3y ago
Dude, my numbers are literally in your link "But as with everything else in New York in the past three years, things went awry. Last year’s 88 track deaths were 35% above the 2018 and 2019 averages — 65 each year. For context, 120 pedestrians died above ground last year in crashes with cars or trucks, close to the average of 121 in 2018 and 2019" You are even repeating them - and nicely moving the goal post from "death" to "injury". Using "safety " to argue against cars is not productive, "safety" can be applied anywhere and everywhere.