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You got a solution? Are you going to travel back in time to prevent the second amendment from being written? Or are you going to get a 2/3rd majority of state g

You got a solution? Are you going to travel back in time to prevent the second amendment from being written? Or are you going to get a 2/3rd majority of state governors to call for a constitutional convention? Maybe you can convince 2/3rd majorities of the house and senate to overturn?

jfengel 3y ago
Well, one could take the whole "well regulated militia" thing seriously. Or one could say that "arms" was never intended to refer to weapons capable of killing many people in a short time, which is how it has been interpreted with respect to bombs and chemical weapons. Failing that, sure, it would be nice if people could actually think the way the founders did, and seek a collective solution. But in a country where large numbers of people absolutely insist on the unrestricted ability to cause mass death, the only possibility is that the Constitution really is a suicide pact.
- Pigalowda 3y ago
  Maybe in the future “well regulated” will mean that a president creates a “National militia” or deputizes anyone with a lawful firearm and no one else can buy a gun outside of the militia. Of course this militia would be right wing but I guess dictatorship is how it could end.
- supertrope 3y ago
  Back then well regulated meant equipped. English has evolved over time. Of course if one day we had six liberal judges they might use the modern meaning of regulated.
TuringNYC 3y ago
IANAL but buildings and companies are allowed to have specific policies that are stricter than national and state policies. You need any of the above.
- Pigalowda 3y ago
  Well yea, in the micro sense - of course.
- Karunamon 3y ago
  I really want to believe you are not suggesting that a specific policy has, or will ever, stop someone from shooting up their office, but I don't see any other way to read this. Could you clarify?
  - TuringNYC 3y ago
    Policies definitely work by creating friction. They dont stop all crimes, but they deter them. Just like locks on doors: sure people can break the locks, but often it deters them just enough not to bother. This is why we have car door locks. Bicycle locks. Metal detectors. ID checks at stores. Unfortunately nothing is perfect.
    - Karunamon 3y ago
      … So you think that the friction provided by "no guns here" will even enter the mind of someone who was not stopped by the friction of "murder is illegal"?

jfengel 3y ago

Well, one could take the whole "well regulated militia" thing seriously. Or one could say that "arms" was never intended to refer to weapons capable of killing many people in a short time, which is how it has been interpreted with respect to bombs and chemical weapons. Failing that, sure, it would be nice if people could actually think the way the founders did, and seek a collective solution. But in a country where large numbers of people absolutely insist on the unrestricted ability to cause mass death, the only possibility is that the Constitution really is a suicide pact.

Pigalowda 3y ago
Maybe in the future “well regulated” will mean that a president creates a “National militia” or deputizes anyone with a lawful firearm and no one else can buy a gun outside of the militia. Of course this militia would be right wing but I guess dictatorship is how it could end.
supertrope 3y ago
Back then well regulated meant equipped. English has evolved over time. Of course if one day we had six liberal judges they might use the modern meaning of regulated.

TuringNYC 3y ago

IANAL but buildings and companies are allowed to have specific policies that are stricter than national and state policies. You need any of the above.

Pigalowda 3y ago
Well yea, in the micro sense - of course.
Karunamon 3y ago
I really want to believe you are not suggesting that a specific policy has, or will ever, stop someone from shooting up their office, but I don't see any other way to read this. Could you clarify?
- TuringNYC 3y ago
  Policies definitely work by creating friction. They dont stop all crimes, but they deter them. Just like locks on doors: sure people can break the locks, but often it deters them just enough not to bother. This is why we have car door locks. Bicycle locks. Metal detectors. ID checks at stores. Unfortunately nothing is perfect.
  - Karunamon 3y ago
    … So you think that the friction provided by "no guns here" will even enter the mind of someone who was not stopped by the friction of "murder is illegal"?