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The pork industry’s forced cannibalism

39 points by myshpa 3y ago

stop50 3y ago
haven't they learned the leasson from bse?!
- Amezarak 3y ago
  I am strongly opposed to mass industrialized farming of this nature - even if you pretend treating animals like commodities is OK, you're creating an increasingly centralized and fragile food supply - but pigs do not need to be forced to cannibalize each other. Whether raised on a farm or feral, pigs will gladly and with great energy devour even family members (merely injured or dead) they grew up with, given the opportunity.
  - benj111 3y ago
    It isn't a issue of forcing something unnatural. The ops point is its an issue of spreading disease
  - ChainOfFools 3y ago
    "it's hard to be more cruel than Nature"
grumple 3y ago
Wow. The cruelty these workers display and the conditions they work in and the pigs live in are absolutely disgusting. I don't see how you can behave the way they do without being evil - it's easy to see how Germans could have no problem killing Jews in concentration camps if they were similar personalities. We see this cruelty play out as Russia rapes and murders civilians in Ukraine as well with increasingly creative tortures. The casual nature of human cruelty is remarkable. How do we prevent people from ending up like this? Once someone reaches this point, I can't see them being able to safely integrate into society.
- myshpa 3y ago
  https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50986683 https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50986683 Confessions of a slaughterhouse worker https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28506017/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28506017/ Prevalence of serious psychological distress among slaughterhouse workers at a United States beef packing plant https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4841092/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4841092/ Slaughtering for a living: A hermeneutic phenomenological perspective on the well-being of slaughterhouse employees https://hazlitt.net/blog/monstrous-cruelty-just-world https://hazlitt.net/blog/monstrous-cruelty-just-world The Monstrous Cruelty of a Just World https://faunalytics.org/differing-empathy-in-vegetarians-vegans-and-omnivores/ https://faunalytics.org/differing-empathy-in-vegetarians-veg... Differing Empathy in Vegetarians, Vegans, and Omnivores > it's easy to see how Germans could have no problem killing Jews in concentration camps if they were similar personalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
  - benj111 3y ago
    The last study is interesting. I'm somewhat surprised by the increased empathy to humans though. As a meat eater the ethics of meat eating is more a question of respect for the animal, I don't lack empathy for humans. Further, my observation of pet owners, their empathy for pets seems to reduce their empathy for fellow humans.
    - hairofadog 3y ago
      > my observation of pet owners, their empathy for pets seems to reduce their empathy for fellow humans. Hmm, I haven’t seen that correlation, but it’s worth noting that there are all sorts of people who keep pets for all sorts of different reasons, so I don’t doubt it’s true for some.
      - kaashif 3y ago
        A lot of people would rather save their pet than an unspecified stranger from a sinking ship: https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2023/07/10/pets-morality-americans-attached-dogs-cats-poll https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/202... That makes sense. But becoming a pet owner also makes you more likely to want to save an unspecified dog over a unspecified person.
hombre_fatal 3y ago
I was red-pilled pretty hard when I learned about Ag-Gag laws in my teens and I'm re-pilled every time I think about it. We shouldn't need to rely on illegal undercover activist video to see how our food is made.
- myshpa 3y ago
  “If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.” ― Paul McCartney
  - myshpa 3y ago
    “If dairy farms had glass walls, everyone would be a vegan.” - myshpa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI
    - midasuni 3y ago
      By that logic dairy farmers would be vegan
      - myshpa 3y ago
        And some already are. https://plantbasednews.org/culture/ethics/transfarmation-animal-farms-turn-vegan/ https://plantbasednews.org/culture/ethics/transfarmation-ani... A ‘Transfarmation’: Meet The Woman Helping Animal Farms Turn Vegan Heiligtag has helped 125 farms in Switzerland, Austria, and Germany move away from animals. She calls this process a “transfarmation.” Animals will either be moved to sanctuaries, or remain and allowed to live out their natural lives in peace. The new farms will always be entirely vegan. Farmers mostly get in contact after experiencing the guilt that sometimes comes with their line of work. “They suffer because of what they have to do to animals,” she says. “It can be that they have been suffering for years and years and years and didn’t see a way out, but it can also happen that they look into one animal’s eyes and suddenly realize there’s someone behind these eyes.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOGfMScPL8k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOGfMScPL8k 5 Times Dairy Farmers Went Vegan
tengbretson 3y ago
Pigs are cannibals by nature.

39 points by myshpa 3y ago

stop50 3y ago

haven't they learned the leasson from bse?!

Amezarak 3y ago
I am strongly opposed to mass industrialized farming of this nature - even if you pretend treating animals like commodities is OK, you're creating an increasingly centralized and fragile food supply - but pigs do not need to be forced to cannibalize each other. Whether raised on a farm or feral, pigs will gladly and with great energy devour even family members (merely injured or dead) they grew up with, given the opportunity.
- benj111 3y ago
  It isn't a issue of forcing something unnatural. The ops point is its an issue of spreading disease
- ChainOfFools 3y ago
  "it's hard to be more cruel than Nature"

grumple 3y ago

Wow. The cruelty these workers display and the conditions they work in and the pigs live in are absolutely disgusting. I don't see how you can behave the way they do without being evil - it's easy to see how Germans could have no problem killing Jews in concentration camps if they were similar personalities. We see this cruelty play out as Russia rapes and murders civilians in Ukraine as well with increasingly creative tortures. The casual nature of human cruelty is remarkable. How do we prevent people from ending up like this? Once someone reaches this point, I can't see them being able to safely integrate into society.

myshpa 3y ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50986683 https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-50986683 Confessions of a slaughterhouse worker https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28506017/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28506017/ Prevalence of serious psychological distress among slaughterhouse workers at a United States beef packing plant https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4841092/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4841092/ Slaughtering for a living: A hermeneutic phenomenological perspective on the well-being of slaughterhouse employees https://hazlitt.net/blog/monstrous-cruelty-just-world https://hazlitt.net/blog/monstrous-cruelty-just-world The Monstrous Cruelty of a Just World https://faunalytics.org/differing-empathy-in-vegetarians-vegans-and-omnivores/ https://faunalytics.org/differing-empathy-in-vegetarians-veg... Differing Empathy in Vegetarians, Vegans, and Omnivores > it's easy to see how Germans could have no problem killing Jews in concentration camps if they were similar personalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
- benj111 3y ago
  The last study is interesting. I'm somewhat surprised by the increased empathy to humans though. As a meat eater the ethics of meat eating is more a question of respect for the animal, I don't lack empathy for humans. Further, my observation of pet owners, their empathy for pets seems to reduce their empathy for fellow humans.
  - hairofadog 3y ago
    > my observation of pet owners, their empathy for pets seems to reduce their empathy for fellow humans. Hmm, I haven’t seen that correlation, but it’s worth noting that there are all sorts of people who keep pets for all sorts of different reasons, so I don’t doubt it’s true for some.
    - kaashif 3y ago
      A lot of people would rather save their pet than an unspecified stranger from a sinking ship: https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/2023/07/10/pets-morality-americans-attached-dogs-cats-poll https://today.yougov.com/topics/society/articles-reports/202... That makes sense. But becoming a pet owner also makes you more likely to want to save an unspecified dog over a unspecified person.

hombre_fatal 3y ago

I was red-pilled pretty hard when I learned about Ag-Gag laws in my teens and I'm re-pilled every time I think about it. We shouldn't need to rely on illegal undercover activist video to see how our food is made.

myshpa 3y ago
“If slaughterhouses had glass walls, everyone would be a vegetarian.” ― Paul McCartney
- myshpa 3y ago
  “If dairy farms had glass walls, everyone would be a vegan.” - myshpa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI
  - midasuni 3y ago
    By that logic dairy farmers would be vegan
    - myshpa 3y ago
      And some already are. https://plantbasednews.org/culture/ethics/transfarmation-animal-farms-turn-vegan/ https://plantbasednews.org/culture/ethics/transfarmation-ani... A ‘Transfarmation’: Meet The Woman Helping Animal Farms Turn Vegan Heiligtag has helped 125 farms in Switzerland, Austria, and Germany move away from animals. She calls this process a “transfarmation.” Animals will either be moved to sanctuaries, or remain and allowed to live out their natural lives in peace. The new farms will always be entirely vegan. Farmers mostly get in contact after experiencing the guilt that sometimes comes with their line of work. “They suffer because of what they have to do to animals,” she says. “It can be that they have been suffering for years and years and years and didn’t see a way out, but it can also happen that they look into one animal’s eyes and suddenly realize there’s someone behind these eyes.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOGfMScPL8k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOGfMScPL8k 5 Times Dairy Farmers Went Vegan

tengbretson 3y ago

Pigs are cannibals by nature.