I'm pretty sure that company was Océ, I worked there at the same time Bram was there (although I don't think I ever met him). They were a photocopier company t

I'm pretty sure that company was Océ, I worked there at the same time Bram was there (although I don't think I ever met him). They were a photocopier company that struggled with technology in general, not just software. I suspect the root of their problem was that they had been taken over by sales and marketing people. That's never good for a technology company.