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“I have recently taken to asking candidates who interview with me for research positions whether it is possible to hear the shape of a drum. This seemingly inno
by richk449 3y ago
“I have recently taken to asking candidates who interview with me for research positions whether it is possible to hear the shape of a drum. This seemingly innocuous problem was posed by mathematician Mark Kac in 196612 and stumped the mathematical community for several decades.
The quick answer I am often given is, "Yes, of course hearing a drum's shape is possible. All that is needed is a sufficiently large dataset of sounds associated with drumhead shapes (for supervised learning) or indeed even without association to the shapes (for unsupervised learning) and use of an effective training algorithm and validation methodology. Once a model has been trained on the data, it will infer the shape of a drum from any recorded spectrum it is given."
This answer is wrong, and it is the reason Kac's famous question merits being revisited in the context of today's AI to solve complex problems. In the 1990s, mathematicians finally proved that it is, in fact, not possible to hear the shape of a drum, or at least not uniquely.9 This is because drumheads exist of different shapes that produce exactly the same sound, or in mathematical terms, are isospectral.”
That seems entirely unfair. The question is if you hear the shape of a drum. The actual answer is yes. But he says this answer is wrong, because you can’t uniquely hear the shape of the drum.
I’m trying to decide if this goalpost moving is a better metaphor for this full piece, or for much of the analysis of AI in general.
- conformist 3y agoI think this is a relatively weak argument, because in colloquial English “the shape” sort of implies uniqueness in the question?
- richk449 3y agoI don’t think so. Can you tell the shape of a vase by looking at it? Would you say “yes” or would you infer that the speaker was asking if you could distinguish all unique vases from one another by looking at them?
- conformist 3y agoYes, like, all uniquely shaped ones?