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Wait until you get asked, by CTOs and business people, to disable F5/refreshing because it breaks the process flow but building a resilient process flow into an

Wait until you get asked, by CTOs and business people, to disable F5/refreshing because it breaks the process flow but building a resilient process flow into an old app takes 10x-100x as long. Only for them to realize if you restart the system, disconnect the network, have a timeout, etc. the problem still exists. They even contemplated physically removing F5 before realizing "wait people can just click refresh or remap F5, that won't work". Same people will also claim "we don't need a frontend dev or a UX designer".

jholman 3y ago
Physically removing F5? Like going around to individual computers and modifying the keyboards?
- paulddraper 3y ago
  Yeah I don't understand either
- golergka 3y ago
  If I understand correctly, they are talking about an in-house system where toy would be able to do exactly that
- BlargMcLarg 3y ago
  This was a webapp to be used internally in an enclosed system, so yes, modifying the keyboards. Company's own hardware.
- undebuggable 3y ago
  Watching DOM events on the document and disabling key events for the key code 116. One can still trigger document refresh by remapping F5 to other physical key in OS settings, or by clicking refresh button in browser toolbar.
  - josephg 3y ago
    Does that work? I’m surprised browsers allow websites to disable the default behaviour of F5.
    - undebuggable 3y ago
      Yes absolutely. It's possible to remap the entire keyboard at the website level.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    That seems unnecessarily complex compared to watching for a request to the same webpage, intercepting, and dropping the request. I believe that is all the refresh function is doing. Now ofc I wouldn't give any executives that idea. Don't mess with expected user functionality, that's like UX 101. if I see my navigation tampered with, I flag that site as spam.
    - undebuggable 3y ago
      Depends on one's determination and motives there are many ways to "disable refresh". One motive I imagine and don't approve is some want their website to feel like a mobile app, for whatever reason.
    - ukuina 3y ago
      I don't think you can drop a window refresh event in JS?

jholman 3y ago

Physically removing F5? Like going around to individual computers and modifying the keyboards?

paulddraper 3y ago
Yeah I don't understand either
golergka 3y ago
If I understand correctly, they are talking about an in-house system where toy would be able to do exactly that
BlargMcLarg 3y ago
This was a webapp to be used internally in an enclosed system, so yes, modifying the keyboards. Company's own hardware.
undebuggable 3y ago
Watching DOM events on the document and disabling key events for the key code 116. One can still trigger document refresh by remapping F5 to other physical key in OS settings, or by clicking refresh button in browser toolbar.
- josephg 3y ago
  Does that work? I’m surprised browsers allow websites to disable the default behaviour of F5.
  - undebuggable 3y ago
    Yes absolutely. It's possible to remap the entire keyboard at the website level.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  That seems unnecessarily complex compared to watching for a request to the same webpage, intercepting, and dropping the request. I believe that is all the refresh function is doing. Now ofc I wouldn't give any executives that idea. Don't mess with expected user functionality, that's like UX 101. if I see my navigation tampered with, I flag that site as spam.
  - undebuggable 3y ago
    Depends on one's determination and motives there are many ways to "disable refresh". One motive I imagine and don't approve is some want their website to feel like a mobile app, for whatever reason.
  - ukuina 3y ago
    I don't think you can drop a window refresh event in JS?