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This is a silly objection. The reason the state has a monopoly on violence is because it took a monopoly on violence, through the application of violence and th
by pessimizer 3y ago
This is a silly objection. The reason the state has a monopoly on violence is because it took a monopoly on violence, through the application of violence and threats of violence.
> What right does sovereignty give a state to oppress its people?
Rights are given by states. Without states, you don't have rights, only capabilities. Rights come into existence when an alliance with a lot of capacity for violence imposes rules on the people within its reach that it allows itself to be bound by.
Governance is not a contest where you are awarded rule for being the best, or a trial where a wise man gives governance to those who deserve it. Governance doesn't care if you give it "credibility" or what "social contract" you have signed unless it decides itself that it cares about those things. The only credibility that a government needs is your belief that it will unleash violence upon you if you do not do what it says.
You have rights under government. Governments themselves don't need rights, unless they are subgovernments of more powerful governments that have granted them. Don't retreat into abstractions and fantasy. You can't defeat fascism by proving it wrong; it's not a Star Trek computer.
- zlg_codes 3y agoI see where you're coming from, but some governments also recognize "natural" or "God-given" rights, recognizing there are powers higher than they are that grant privileges or capabilities considered sacred. Granted, this set of rights will be different shapes and sizes depending on culture, but it's not so clear-cut that rights do not exist without government. There are moral rights that we can argue via philosophy. The state is truly only necessary to adjudicate conflicts between its subjects and maybe defend them. I also concede it takes more than an argument to fend off government, but playing along with "monopoly on violence" is so defeatist and pre-loads conversation with a guaranteed end result, when that end is not actually guaranteed. It can be fought.