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> You're now betting against the teenage sex drive of the whole planet Teenagers want porn. The “infringing sites” discussed in the linked article isn’t about

> You're now betting against the teenage sex drive of the whole planet Teenagers want porn. The “infringing sites” discussed in the linked article isn’t about porn. No one thinks that the French government is going to require that browsers block Pornhub, Reddit’s gone-wild subs, or Xvideos. Your view of hordes of kids keen on pirating is rather dated. Sure, some people still pirate. But due to the rise in streaming and media-as-a-commodity, piracy is no longer even the same marginal cultural force that it was a decade ago.

hgsgm 3y ago
Why would no one think that? Here in US we have various legislative efforts to make porn harder to reach.
Larrikin 3y ago
There are currently multiple states in the US that require invasive age verification for porn or the site needs to be blocked. Why is it such a leap that they won't just require the sites to be blocked completely to "protect the children"?
concinds 3y ago
> No one thinks that the French government is going to require that browsers block Pornhub, Reddit’s gone-wild subs, or Xvideos Very wrong! France is currently deciding whether to ban five porn sites, including Pornhub, Xvideos, and XHamster.[0] The new law mentioned in TFA has already passed one chamber of parliament unanimously, and will be passed later this year.[1] It won't just require phishing sites to be blocked by browsers. It'll also require porn sites to authenticate users through government websites (think OpenID but with the tax-filing website or national health insurance website, to check if age > 18), and block porn sites that don't comply (without needing a judge's permission). It doesn't stop there. The new law requires sites that allow "foreign propaganda" (Russia Today, Sputnik) to be blocked. And though it's not directly relevant here, the law also criminalizes "online contempt" and hate speech, which includes "threats and intimidation against elected officials", and gives the government the right to legally require platforms to ban such people, and to legally punish these platforms if the person finds a way to circumvent the ban.[2][3] Note that the French government can already block pirate sites (and does, including Sci-Hub and Libgen) without a judge's permission.[4] This isn't done in the browser itself, but all the above will be, and there's no doubt that this will be too eventually. [0]: https://www.20minutes.fr/high-tech/by-the-web/4045390-20230713-blocage-sites-pornographiques-decision-retardee-associations-protection-enfance-lassees https://www.20minutes.fr/high-tech/by-the-web/4045390-202307... [1]: https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2023/07/06/le-senat-vote-a-l-unanimite-un-projet-de-loi-pour-securiser-et-reguler-l-espace-numerique_6180758_4408996.html https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2023/07/06/le-senat-vo... [2]: https://www.vie-publique.fr/loi/289345-securiser-et-reguler-lespace-nunerique-projet-de-loi-sren https://www.vie-publique.fr/loi/289345-securiser-et-reguler-... [3]: https://www.20minutes.fr/high-tech/by-the-web/4044754-20230707-reseaux-sociaux-projet-loi-securite-internet-vote-unanimite-senat https://www.20minutes.fr/high-tech/by-the-web/4044754-202307... [4]: https://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/piratage-sur-internet-166-sites-bloques-depuis-fin-2022-selon-l-arcom-20230521 https://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/piratage-sur-inter...
- concinds 3y ago
  By the way, authenticating porn site visitors through government sites will be done through something extremely similar to Apple's Private Access Tokens (Privacy Pass) and Google's recent Web Environment Integrity (WEI) proposal.[0] [0]: https://broken-by-design.fr/posts/proto-authz-porn/ https://broken-by-design.fr/posts/proto-authz-porn/

hgsgm 3y ago

Why would no one think that? Here in US we have various legislative efforts to make porn harder to reach.

Larrikin 3y ago

There are currently multiple states in the US that require invasive age verification for porn or the site needs to be blocked. Why is it such a leap that they won't just require the sites to be blocked completely to "protect the children"?

concinds 3y ago

> No one thinks that the French government is going to require that browsers block Pornhub, Reddit’s gone-wild subs, or Xvideos Very wrong! France is currently deciding whether to ban five porn sites, including Pornhub, Xvideos, and XHamster.[0] The new law mentioned in TFA has already passed one chamber of parliament unanimously, and will be passed later this year.[1] It won't just require phishing sites to be blocked by browsers. It'll also require porn sites to authenticate users through government websites (think OpenID but with the tax-filing website or national health insurance website, to check if age > 18), and block porn sites that don't comply (without needing a judge's permission). It doesn't stop there. The new law requires sites that allow "foreign propaganda" (Russia Today, Sputnik) to be blocked. And though it's not directly relevant here, the law also criminalizes "online contempt" and hate speech, which includes "threats and intimidation against elected officials", and gives the government the right to legally require platforms to ban such people, and to legally punish these platforms if the person finds a way to circumvent the ban.[2][3] Note that the French government can already block pirate sites (and does, including Sci-Hub and Libgen) without a judge's permission.[4] This isn't done in the browser itself, but all the above will be, and there's no doubt that this will be too eventually. [0]: https://www.20minutes.fr/high-tech/by-the-web/4045390-20230713-blocage-sites-pornographiques-decision-retardee-associations-protection-enfance-lassees https://www.20minutes.fr/high-tech/by-the-web/4045390-202307... [1]: https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2023/07/06/le-senat-vote-a-l-unanimite-un-projet-de-loi-pour-securiser-et-reguler-l-espace-numerique_6180758_4408996.html https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2023/07/06/le-senat-vo... [2]: https://www.vie-publique.fr/loi/289345-securiser-et-reguler-lespace-nunerique-projet-de-loi-sren https://www.vie-publique.fr/loi/289345-securiser-et-reguler-... [3]: https://www.20minutes.fr/high-tech/by-the-web/4044754-20230707-reseaux-sociaux-projet-loi-securite-internet-vote-unanimite-senat https://www.20minutes.fr/high-tech/by-the-web/4044754-202307... [4]: https://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/piratage-sur-internet-166-sites-bloques-depuis-fin-2022-selon-l-arcom-20230521 https://www.lefigaro.fr/secteur/high-tech/piratage-sur-inter...

concinds 3y ago
By the way, authenticating porn site visitors through government sites will be done through something extremely similar to Apple's Private Access Tokens (Privacy Pass) and Google's recent Web Environment Integrity (WEI) proposal.[0] [0]: https://broken-by-design.fr/posts/proto-authz-porn/ https://broken-by-design.fr/posts/proto-authz-porn/