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So you don't vote either? I'd argue reducing meat intake is like voting. It's impact on the environment individually is tiny. But it also impacts the market an

So you don't vote either? I'd argue reducing meat intake is like voting. It's impact on the environment individually is tiny. But it also impacts the market and other eaters (voters).

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
> So you don't vote either? Actually, no. I'm in NYC so there's no point unless NY even begins to approach becoming purple, at least as long as the EC remains in place. > It's impact on the environment individually is tiny. But it also impacts the market and other eaters (voters). People are not going to go vegan though. Even if they were to consider it, it still wouldn't overall make a big difference unless industries changed.
- invalidname 3y ago
  The EC is a stupid thing indeed, but since the ticket also includes local elections it probably should matter (e.g. I don't know if he's in your district but didn't George Santos come from NY?). But assuming normal elections, would you vote? I'm not vegan. But my spouse is. As a result, I effectively hardly eat any meat at all. This impacted friends and family and created a cascading effect. It also impacted other people as she's relatively well known in our community and quite a few people changed their eating habits as a result. Maybe it's from where I stand, but I see a lot more vegan eateries around these parts (not an American) and a lot more enthusiasm about it. I think this will cross a chasm at some point and even a little bit helps in that regard.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    > But assuming normal elections, would you vote? Maybe. I have a pretty dim view of democracy as a form of government, so probably not. > This impacted friends and family and created a cascading effect. It also impacted other people as she's relatively well known in our community and quite a few people changed their eating habits as a result. In my experience, it's a fad. Plenty of people experiment but don't end up staying vegan. > Maybe it's from where I stand, but I see a lot more vegan eateries around these parts (not an American) and a lot more enthusiasm about it. I think this will cross a chasm at some point and even a little bit helps in that regard. I think there will be a continued interest in plant based foods and cooking, but I don't think that's the same as going vegan. Kind of like many people might try a beyond burger at Burger King while also ordering some actual chicken nuggets on the side.
    - invalidname 3y ago
      > Maybe. I have a pretty dim view of democracy as a form of government, so probably not. As a person living in a shaky democracy this is pretty triggering. Your democracy is very flawed and I'm very aware of its problems, but the alternative is so much worse. > In my experience, it's a fad. It's trending up. So it might be a fad but that's how changes start. People don't need to go vegan, that's the point. Reduction and moderate change will be a tremendous impact.
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        > but the alternative is so much worse. I think there are better alternatives than democracy. It's something I hope to publish something on. It astounds me that we have so much more knowledge and modeling capacity these days, but this 'problem' of optimal form of government has not seen any progress being made - everyone just stopped at 'democracy'. > It's trending up. There are conflicting reports on that, so I don't think you can say that with confidence. A lot of sites also are unreliable, correlating an increase in plant based foods with growth of veganism, for example. > Reduction and moderate change will be a tremendous impact. It really won't. Companies are the problem. People will never have more than a minimal impact.
        javanissen 3y ago
        > Companies are the problem. Companies sell to people. If the people reject certain types of products en masse, the company has to change its behavior or it will die.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Not all companies sell to people, some sell to other companies. Like oil companies. Or wholesale manufacturers of plastic goods.
s9w 3y ago
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So you don't vote either? I'd argue reducing meat intake is like voting. It's impact on the environment individually is tiny. But it also impacts the market and other eaters (voters).

PrimeMcFly 3y ago

> So you don't vote either? Actually, no. I'm in NYC so there's no point unless NY even begins to approach becoming purple, at least as long as the EC remains in place. > It's impact on the environment individually is tiny. But it also impacts the market and other eaters (voters). People are not going to go vegan though. Even if they were to consider it, it still wouldn't overall make a big difference unless industries changed.

invalidname 3y ago
The EC is a stupid thing indeed, but since the ticket also includes local elections it probably should matter (e.g. I don't know if he's in your district but didn't George Santos come from NY?). But assuming normal elections, would you vote? I'm not vegan. But my spouse is. As a result, I effectively hardly eat any meat at all. This impacted friends and family and created a cascading effect. It also impacted other people as she's relatively well known in our community and quite a few people changed their eating habits as a result. Maybe it's from where I stand, but I see a lot more vegan eateries around these parts (not an American) and a lot more enthusiasm about it. I think this will cross a chasm at some point and even a little bit helps in that regard.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  > But assuming normal elections, would you vote? Maybe. I have a pretty dim view of democracy as a form of government, so probably not. > This impacted friends and family and created a cascading effect. It also impacted other people as she's relatively well known in our community and quite a few people changed their eating habits as a result. In my experience, it's a fad. Plenty of people experiment but don't end up staying vegan. > Maybe it's from where I stand, but I see a lot more vegan eateries around these parts (not an American) and a lot more enthusiasm about it. I think this will cross a chasm at some point and even a little bit helps in that regard. I think there will be a continued interest in plant based foods and cooking, but I don't think that's the same as going vegan. Kind of like many people might try a beyond burger at Burger King while also ordering some actual chicken nuggets on the side.
  - invalidname 3y ago
    > Maybe. I have a pretty dim view of democracy as a form of government, so probably not. As a person living in a shaky democracy this is pretty triggering. Your democracy is very flawed and I'm very aware of its problems, but the alternative is so much worse. > In my experience, it's a fad. It's trending up. So it might be a fad but that's how changes start. People don't need to go vegan, that's the point. Reduction and moderate change will be a tremendous impact.
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      > but the alternative is so much worse. I think there are better alternatives than democracy. It's something I hope to publish something on. It astounds me that we have so much more knowledge and modeling capacity these days, but this 'problem' of optimal form of government has not seen any progress being made - everyone just stopped at 'democracy'. > It's trending up. There are conflicting reports on that, so I don't think you can say that with confidence. A lot of sites also are unreliable, correlating an increase in plant based foods with growth of veganism, for example. > Reduction and moderate change will be a tremendous impact. It really won't. Companies are the problem. People will never have more than a minimal impact.
      - javanissen 3y ago
        > Companies are the problem. Companies sell to people. If the people reject certain types of products en masse, the company has to change its behavior or it will die.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Not all companies sell to people, some sell to other companies. Like oil companies. Or wholesale manufacturers of plastic goods.

s9w 3y ago

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