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Seriously? To me this looks like a chip of graphite glued to an invisible thread. The way the object moves is not what I would expect from magnetism (see second

by pera 3y ago

Seriously? To me this looks like a chip of graphite glued to an invisible thread. The way the object moves is not what I would expect from magnetism (see second 10 for instance)

mcpackieh 3y ago
How can it look like something that is ostensibly invisible? It's not swinging around like a pendulum, so what exactly are you seeing that makes you think it looks like an invisible string?
- pera 3y ago
  The thread is horizontally positioned, left to right, not vertically.
  - gabesullice 3y ago
    Finding a thread that small would be a feat of its own. I wonder if your eyes might be getting tricked by the watermark?
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    But you haven't explained how it looks like that. It could be that, but it looks like it's floating. What is it about the appearance of this thing which has you believing there is a string?
    - incrudible 3y ago
      If there is a magician on the stage, you can safely presume there is no actual magic involved, even though you do not know how exactly the trick works. For actual flux pinning, the first thing you would do is show what happens if you put the thing upside down. It should stick. Even if it does not, you would show that it does not.
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        The point of the illusions in a good magicians act is that they look like magic. If the illusions look like invisible strings/etc, then they were poorly done. Even if you know there must be a string, it shouldn't look that way. So what I'm saying is that even if it's reasonable to deduce that this supposed magnet is being suspended from a string, it doesn't look like it is. If it is fake, it's a well-done illusion not a shoddy illusion.
        incrudible 3y ago
        Whether it "looks like it's on a string" is highly subjective. Suppose I primed you by saying: Look at this speck of dirt on a string, does it look like a speck of dirt on a string to you? https://imgur.com/a/AY1oaIO https://imgur.com/a/AY1oaIO In all likelyhood, your answer would be: Yes, it does. It's clear however that a lot of us (myself included) don't want to see a speck of dirt on a string. They want to see history in the making.
- Cushman 3y ago
  What accounts for the smooth “settling” into place after the last touch around 10s? I have no idea what I’m talking about, but in other flux pinning demonstrations the sample seems to oscillate around the fixed point. That smooth settling looks like some sort of damping, like maybe a force that increases with distance, like maybe spring tension. (Of course, “we have no idea” is an acceptable answer if that turns out to be the case.)
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Air resistance seems like a reasonable explanation for the dampening. Furthermore if it's not pure and only partially superconducting, the dampening could be due to magnetic fields forming eddy currents in the sample. > (Of course, “we have no idea” is an acceptable answer if that turns out to be the case.) Of course.
    - Cushman 3y ago
      Good hypotheses both! “We’ve never been able to pin something this size before” covers a lot of wiggle room. So to speak. (FWIW I’m thrilled about the possibility of a rtrp drop this year, and I have to assume 'pera is as well. But this video doesn’t look just like flux pinning we’ve seen before. It’s visibly a little different in a way that wants explanation. I wouldn’t come out the gate calling it a hoax, but I’d feel better about not doing that if the basis for skepticism were at least acknowledged.)
nicpottier 3y ago
Have you watched other videos of flux pinning? This sure looks like those to me, it's a weird phenomenon.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  It's not that weird, it just looks weird if you don't have any idea of what is going on. But it's fairly logical if you get the principle behind it. Nullc's excellent video below shows a much clearer example.
tester457 3y ago
This video describes quantum locking as strings going through a superconductor. https://youtu.be/8GY4m022tgo?t=957 https://youtu.be/8GY4m022tgo?t=957
nullc 3y ago
This is what a pinned superconductor looks like. Here is a video I made of some YCBO over a small magnet: https://nt4tn.net/random/superconductor.mp4 https://nt4tn.net/random/superconductor.mp4 you can see it settle back back when I move it with tongs (until i push hard enough to get it to snap into a new orientation). If I had a magnet that was much bigger than the superconductor it would look even more similar (less 'pivoty').
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Excellent video, really very nice. I like it how you forced the flux pinning by punching a hole in the middle of the superconductor, that makes it all much more visible. You can practically visualize the fieldlines escaping through the middle and becoming an elastic pivot connected to the magnet.
- sph 3y ago
  If only all videos of LK-99 (and UFO sightings for that matter) came in such high, crisp resolution. Thanks.

by pera 3y ago

Seriously? To me this looks like a chip of graphite glued to an invisible thread. The way the object moves is not what I would expect from magnetism (see second 10 for instance)

mcpackieh 3y ago

How can it look like something that is ostensibly invisible? It's not swinging around like a pendulum, so what exactly are you seeing that makes you think it looks like an invisible string?

pera 3y ago
The thread is horizontally positioned, left to right, not vertically.
- gabesullice 3y ago
  Finding a thread that small would be a feat of its own. I wonder if your eyes might be getting tricked by the watermark?
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  But you haven't explained how it looks like that. It could be that, but it looks like it's floating. What is it about the appearance of this thing which has you believing there is a string?
  - incrudible 3y ago
    If there is a magician on the stage, you can safely presume there is no actual magic involved, even though you do not know how exactly the trick works. For actual flux pinning, the first thing you would do is show what happens if you put the thing upside down. It should stick. Even if it does not, you would show that it does not.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      The point of the illusions in a good magicians act is that they look like magic. If the illusions look like invisible strings/etc, then they were poorly done. Even if you know there must be a string, it shouldn't look that way. So what I'm saying is that even if it's reasonable to deduce that this supposed magnet is being suspended from a string, it doesn't look like it is. If it is fake, it's a well-done illusion not a shoddy illusion.
      - incrudible 3y ago
        Whether it "looks like it's on a string" is highly subjective. Suppose I primed you by saying: Look at this speck of dirt on a string, does it look like a speck of dirt on a string to you? https://imgur.com/a/AY1oaIO https://imgur.com/a/AY1oaIO In all likelyhood, your answer would be: Yes, it does. It's clear however that a lot of us (myself included) don't want to see a speck of dirt on a string. They want to see history in the making.
Cushman 3y ago
What accounts for the smooth “settling” into place after the last touch around 10s? I have no idea what I’m talking about, but in other flux pinning demonstrations the sample seems to oscillate around the fixed point. That smooth settling looks like some sort of damping, like maybe a force that increases with distance, like maybe spring tension. (Of course, “we have no idea” is an acceptable answer if that turns out to be the case.)
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Air resistance seems like a reasonable explanation for the dampening. Furthermore if it's not pure and only partially superconducting, the dampening could be due to magnetic fields forming eddy currents in the sample. > (Of course, “we have no idea” is an acceptable answer if that turns out to be the case.) Of course.
  - Cushman 3y ago
    Good hypotheses both! “We’ve never been able to pin something this size before” covers a lot of wiggle room. So to speak. (FWIW I’m thrilled about the possibility of a rtrp drop this year, and I have to assume 'pera is as well. But this video doesn’t look just like flux pinning we’ve seen before. It’s visibly a little different in a way that wants explanation. I wouldn’t come out the gate calling it a hoax, but I’d feel better about not doing that if the basis for skepticism were at least acknowledged.)

nicpottier 3y ago

Have you watched other videos of flux pinning? This sure looks like those to me, it's a weird phenomenon.

jacquesm 3y ago
It's not that weird, it just looks weird if you don't have any idea of what is going on. But it's fairly logical if you get the principle behind it. Nullc's excellent video below shows a much clearer example.

tester457 3y ago

This video describes quantum locking as strings going through a superconductor. https://youtu.be/8GY4m022tgo?t=957 https://youtu.be/8GY4m022tgo?t=957

nullc 3y ago

This is what a pinned superconductor looks like. Here is a video I made of some YCBO over a small magnet: https://nt4tn.net/random/superconductor.mp4 https://nt4tn.net/random/superconductor.mp4 you can see it settle back back when I move it with tongs (until i push hard enough to get it to snap into a new orientation). If I had a magnet that was much bigger than the superconductor it would look even more similar (less 'pivoty').

jacquesm 3y ago
Excellent video, really very nice. I like it how you forced the flux pinning by punching a hole in the middle of the superconductor, that makes it all much more visible. You can practically visualize the fieldlines escaping through the middle and becoming an elastic pivot connected to the magnet.
sph 3y ago
If only all videos of LK-99 (and UFO sightings for that matter) came in such high, crisp resolution. Thanks.