Also "new urbanism" that's just people who want more bike(-only) paths for recreation. Yes, there is such a thing as better urban design that reduces car depend

Also "new urbanism" that's just people who want more bike(-only) paths for recreation. Yes, there is such a thing as better urban design that reduces car dependency. There are real bike commuters. I totally respect and tangibly support both, due to environmental and other concerns. But I'm not interested in hearing from people who oppose mass transit, abuse pedestrians, and regularly drive their bikes (as aggressively as they ride) to the rally point for their recreational large-group rides. That's not advocacy for anything but oneself.