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In 2023, 8GB of RAM is simply insufficient for anything above entry-level. Already Ratchet & Clank in FHD has a >50% performance advantage when you compare the

In 2023, 8GB of RAM is simply insufficient for anything above entry-level. Already Ratchet & Clank in FHD has a >50% performance advantage when you compare the 16GiB 4060TI version against the 8GB version, when comparing avg. fps P1 it rises to +70%. This is the biggest outlier, but many other games suffer badly with just 8GB [0]. It will only get worse going forward, so don’t buy a 8GB card if don’t have to, it will age badly. [0] https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-Grafikkarte-279647/Specials/Test-Review-Preis-Release-8GB-vs-16GB-Specs-Benchmark-1425140/galerie/3770818/ https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-Graf...

nottorp 3y ago
Can't read that because I don't understand the popup that covers the article and I'm not clicking on something I can't read :) However, isn't this specific game you're mentioned just a case of a crap port from consoles? Personally I wouldn't try any traditional console franchise on a PC. They're just not designed for it, even if you plug in a controller.
- MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
  This is just the usual cookie banner. This is a direct URL to the image: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-Grafikkarte-279647/Specials/Test-Review-Preis-Release-8GB-vs-16GB-Specs-Benchmark-1425140/galerie/3770818/?fullsize https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-Graf... Point being that a lot of current-gen AAA games already benefit from more RAM, and this is not going to get better. Consider that frame generation and raytracing also consume lots of VRAM, and FG will be essential to keep 4060Ti level silicon competitive in the future. Here is a Youtuber making the same case, that no, its not just that one badly optimized game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-j1vdMV1Cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-j1vdMV1Cc Does this affect all games? No. But this won't help you if it affects a game you'd like to play, now or in the future.
  - nottorp 3y ago
    > This is just the usual cookie banner. I tried passing the link through google translate and it skipped the banners unfortunately. I have a feeling it wanted me to make an account though. I uninstalled Chrome on this laptop so I can't use the in-browser translate option. > Point being that a lot of current-gen AAA games already benefit from more RAM, and this is not going to get better. Point taken. Wasn't aware of that because I get the few AAA games I'm interested in on console anyway. Most are series that started on consoles so the company is likely to be more experienced on that platform. Edit: and to be a bit snarky, I could argue that ports from console that don't take into account the amount of VRAM on common PC video cards are a case of crap console port.
- fredoralive 3y ago
  It seems increasingly to be a more general issue that if you don’t have more then 8 GB of VRAM you just don’t get console level (or above) image quality. Current gen consoles have 16 GB of unified RAM, and end up effectively assigning more than half of that to the GPU side of things (I know, it’s a bit more complex than a simple split between “CPU” and “GPU” pools in reality). Which can be a problem, at least of you want to lord it over console owning plebs with your several times more expensive battlestation. Although you might get “better framerate, worse textures” type trade offs.
ThatPlayer 3y ago
> 8GB of RAM is simply insufficient for anything above entry-level. I don't disagree, but also I think the A580 mentioned, at it's price point of 150-200 dollars is firmly entry-level. The low-end market dedicated GPU market is basically gone with integrated GPU being good enough nowadays.
- MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
  Oh I misread that - you're right.
wmf 3y ago
Intel GPUs are entry level. IMO 8 GB is fair for $250 or less.

nottorp 3y ago

Can't read that because I don't understand the popup that covers the article and I'm not clicking on something I can't read :) However, isn't this specific game you're mentioned just a case of a crap port from consoles? Personally I wouldn't try any traditional console franchise on a PC. They're just not designed for it, even if you plug in a controller.

MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
This is just the usual cookie banner. This is a direct URL to the image: https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-Grafikkarte-279647/Specials/Test-Review-Preis-Release-8GB-vs-16GB-Specs-Benchmark-1425140/galerie/3770818/?fullsize https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Geforce-RTX-4060-Ti-16GB-Graf... Point being that a lot of current-gen AAA games already benefit from more RAM, and this is not going to get better. Consider that frame generation and raytracing also consume lots of VRAM, and FG will be essential to keep 4060Ti level silicon competitive in the future. Here is a Youtuber making the same case, that no, its not just that one badly optimized game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-j1vdMV1Cc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-j1vdMV1Cc Does this affect all games? No. But this won't help you if it affects a game you'd like to play, now or in the future.
- nottorp 3y ago
  > This is just the usual cookie banner. I tried passing the link through google translate and it skipped the banners unfortunately. I have a feeling it wanted me to make an account though. I uninstalled Chrome on this laptop so I can't use the in-browser translate option. > Point being that a lot of current-gen AAA games already benefit from more RAM, and this is not going to get better. Point taken. Wasn't aware of that because I get the few AAA games I'm interested in on console anyway. Most are series that started on consoles so the company is likely to be more experienced on that platform. Edit: and to be a bit snarky, I could argue that ports from console that don't take into account the amount of VRAM on common PC video cards are a case of crap console port.
fredoralive 3y ago
It seems increasingly to be a more general issue that if you don’t have more then 8 GB of VRAM you just don’t get console level (or above) image quality. Current gen consoles have 16 GB of unified RAM, and end up effectively assigning more than half of that to the GPU side of things (I know, it’s a bit more complex than a simple split between “CPU” and “GPU” pools in reality). Which can be a problem, at least of you want to lord it over console owning plebs with your several times more expensive battlestation. Although you might get “better framerate, worse textures” type trade offs.

ThatPlayer 3y ago

> 8GB of RAM is simply insufficient for anything above entry-level. I don't disagree, but also I think the A580 mentioned, at it's price point of 150-200 dollars is firmly entry-level. The low-end market dedicated GPU market is basically gone with integrated GPU being good enough nowadays.

MrBuddyCasino 3y ago
Oh I misread that - you're right.

wmf 3y ago

Intel GPUs are entry level. IMO 8 GB is fair for $250 or less.