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Honestly this comes across as paranoid yet defeatist. You don't believe encryption works? Really? All encryption? Do you think cryptography researchers are all

by nabogh 3y ago

Honestly this comes across as paranoid yet defeatist. You don't believe encryption works? Really? All encryption? Do you think cryptography researchers are all in collusion or just inept?

richard_rainbow 3y ago
Paranoia is pretty common but I think in this case it is more realism than defeatism. After all I feel no defeat at all about this particular issue as I don't have much hope in the internet really. But don't you think quantum computers are mature somewhere by now? If you had one and you had secrets to maintain, would you be the one to spill the beans even if a VIP planning a war? I doubt the news will come as a result of a bank heist or a 51% attack. This is a Jinn that will never go back to the bottle it came from. RSA was passed on a long time ago and AES is pretty old. I don't think people can really grasp how much progress has been made. Most people I encounter have no idea that video can be completely faked. Recently I heard an old lady explain that video evidence is basically truth. Notice how easy the eyes are fooled. For those who have ears, may they hear. Hopefully my parent post doesn't vanish. I realize this is a tough pill to swallow. I am pretty sure we will all have to swallow it soon.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  > But don't you think quantum computers are mature somewhere by now? Nope. No I don't. The amount of compute required to actually operate on Shor's algorithm is immense, to the point that it's probably smarter, faster and cheaper to bruteforce with traditional HPC these days.
  - richard_rainbow 3y ago
    Of course! It is a secret after all.
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- nabogh 3y ago
  Ah okay well if you think that quantum computing has been cracked then take some solace in the fact that symmetric encryption should be resistant to attacks in a post quantum world. We'll go back to difficulties in exchanging secrets. But encryption as a whole will still work.

by nabogh 3y ago

Honestly this comes across as paranoid yet defeatist. You don't believe encryption works? Really? All encryption? Do you think cryptography researchers are all in collusion or just inept?

richard_rainbow 3y ago

Paranoia is pretty common but I think in this case it is more realism than defeatism. After all I feel no defeat at all about this particular issue as I don't have much hope in the internet really. But don't you think quantum computers are mature somewhere by now? If you had one and you had secrets to maintain, would you be the one to spill the beans even if a VIP planning a war? I doubt the news will come as a result of a bank heist or a 51% attack. This is a Jinn that will never go back to the bottle it came from. RSA was passed on a long time ago and AES is pretty old. I don't think people can really grasp how much progress has been made. Most people I encounter have no idea that video can be completely faked. Recently I heard an old lady explain that video evidence is basically truth. Notice how easy the eyes are fooled. For those who have ears, may they hear. Hopefully my parent post doesn't vanish. I realize this is a tough pill to swallow. I am pretty sure we will all have to swallow it soon.

smoldesu 3y ago
> But don't you think quantum computers are mature somewhere by now? Nope. No I don't. The amount of compute required to actually operate on Shor's algorithm is immense, to the point that it's probably smarter, faster and cheaper to bruteforce with traditional HPC these days.
- richard_rainbow 3y ago
  Of course! It is a secret after all.
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nabogh 3y ago
Ah okay well if you think that quantum computing has been cracked then take some solace in the fact that symmetric encryption should be resistant to attacks in a post quantum world. We'll go back to difficulties in exchanging secrets. But encryption as a whole will still work.