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So you are minimizing the pressure towards using cards instead of cash in the last years as contingent only. At least in Austria. And you are suggesting that no

by mdp2021 3y ago

So you are minimizing the pressure towards using cards instead of cash in the last years as contingent only. At least in Austria. And you are suggesting that now it is over. You are also minimizing the point that Austria is not a disconnected independent self-ruling entity, but part of bigger systems and a subject in bigger systems. I said: are there still traditional bank cards in Austria, not readable from a distance? The wave to remove them seems to be international. Not only the apparently last international circuit (Maestro) using them was ceased one month ago, but I am not aware of traditional cards working in at least local circuits. Austria seems to be bearing "alien" pressures like the rest. You have to see the waves coming to prevent them. That of Covid is suggestive: in the Fall of 2020 in Austria it seemed to be regarded as just an "Italian predicament".

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>are there still traditional bank cards in Austria, not readable from a distance? Do you actually live in Austria and know the real situation on the ground, or are you making up fantasy scenarios for strawman arguments for some good old-fashioned internet trolling? Because you would know the answer tot that.
- mdp2021 3y ago
  I wrote very clearly, FirmwareBurner: if you did not understand, re-read what I wrote and make the mandated effort. If clarifications are useful, ask for them. Nobody told you I live in Austria. The information I have is based on my research, which is unfortunately bound to be limited (which also implies, it was unsuccessful in finding around alternatives to the current mess). I have also been in Austria and made my limited queries (not only as I have not visited every bank, but also as it did not happen in the past months, and some of the systemic changes are only weeks old): those queries have been unsuccessful, like in other territories. And very clearly, the point was beyond bank cards - it is about binding trends, as I wrote very literally -, which are mentioned to make an example. And if you have good information, share it, or you are being unhelpful, further to your unhelpful attitude towards comprehension. > fantasy scenarios for strawman arguments Logical process, induction and deduction, probabilistic. Maestro is gone, and it is the last international channel with "traditional" service I knew. In some territories, local channels have been shut down. I have been in a few banks of "your" territory, they did not offer said service. Web sources have not shown solutions. All of this does not promise well. And I have not made factual statements: both times I asked in this branch I made direct questions. If you, from this, could deduce "Oh, but see: Austria reveals to be an exception", because you retained services that disappeared elsewhere, then the original point would be corroborated by the fact that elsewhere those services disappeared.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Then you don't know what you're talking about, so I will end the conversation here to preserve my sanity. Good day sir.
    - mdp2021 3y ago
      > you don't know It will not be thank to you, seemingly, if we will know better.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>are there still traditional bank cards in Austria, not readable from a distance? Do you actually live in Austria and know the real situation on the ground, or are you making up fantasy scenarios for strawman arguments for some good old-fashioned internet trolling? Because you would know the answer tot that.

mdp2021 3y ago
I wrote very clearly, FirmwareBurner: if you did not understand, re-read what I wrote and make the mandated effort. If clarifications are useful, ask for them. Nobody told you I live in Austria. The information I have is based on my research, which is unfortunately bound to be limited (which also implies, it was unsuccessful in finding around alternatives to the current mess). I have also been in Austria and made my limited queries (not only as I have not visited every bank, but also as it did not happen in the past months, and some of the systemic changes are only weeks old): those queries have been unsuccessful, like in other territories. And very clearly, the point was beyond bank cards - it is about binding trends, as I wrote very literally -, which are mentioned to make an example. And if you have good information, share it, or you are being unhelpful, further to your unhelpful attitude towards comprehension. > fantasy scenarios for strawman arguments Logical process, induction and deduction, probabilistic. Maestro is gone, and it is the last international channel with "traditional" service I knew. In some territories, local channels have been shut down. I have been in a few banks of "your" territory, they did not offer said service. Web sources have not shown solutions. All of this does not promise well. And I have not made factual statements: both times I asked in this branch I made direct questions. If you, from this, could deduce "Oh, but see: Austria reveals to be an exception", because you retained services that disappeared elsewhere, then the original point would be corroborated by the fact that elsewhere those services disappeared.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Then you don't know what you're talking about, so I will end the conversation here to preserve my sanity. Good day sir.
  - mdp2021 3y ago
    > you don't know It will not be thank to you, seemingly, if we will know better.