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(a) Are risky drivers buying a certain kind of cars such as Nissan Altima and Chevy Malibu? (b) Is driving Nissan Altima and Chevy Malibu risky? Whenever some

(a) Are risky drivers buying a certain kind of cars such as Nissan Altima and Chevy Malibu? (b) Is driving Nissan Altima and Chevy Malibu risky? Whenever someone says (1) A causes B, present such alternative hypotheses as (2) B causes A or (3) D causes B. Now we are left with three hypotheses to explain the same phenomenon. How to pick which of the competing hypotheses? Here we need solid reasoning to pick answers, not statistics.

talldatethrow 3y ago
A) Yes. These two are popular Rental cars and cheap throw away cars people with bad credit often buy or lease. These land on the used market where they are again bought by even lower tier bad credit or people in a bind that will take anything. And then another tier of the same bought 3rd hand for cash from tax refunds or cash jobs. Why these drivers drive a certain way is up in the air still I guess. "Big Altima Energy" is a common meme on car forums.
- dublinben 3y ago
  People with poor judgement (in financial matters) continue to express poor judgement while driving. While on the road, I treat all Nissans as potential accidents waiting to happen.
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
    It's sad because in the 90s Nissan was still a SOLID company possibly even better than Honda and close to Toyota. We bought a 96 Maxima new a few years after coming to the US and even now as a true car enthusiast I would say that was a quality car. Nothing like that exists at Nissan today. Not even close since about 1999.
    - wodenokoto 3y ago
      The thread says the cars are good and good value. This is what causes them to be dangerous on the road. First they are rental, meaning they are driven hard and by drivers that don’t know the car and don’t have incentives to drive in ways that are good for breaks and engine. Then they get put on the 2nd hand market, where the thread speculate that they are bought by people who are in a financial bind and whatever lies behind the bad decisions that led them to said bind is reflected in their driving. This a good economical safe car attracts accidents.
      - talldatethrow 3y ago
        It honestly isn't just that. It doesn't 'attract accidents'. These cars attract aggressive anti social people. I'm from the central valley. I see a lot of "big Altima energy" although you'll see it in Oakland, San Jose and those types too. Main point, I see tons of them. They are driven beyond the legal limit of "aggressiveness" all the damn time. Someone speeding through a parking lot.. Altima. Someone running a read light.. Altima. Someone doing illegal crazy uturns? Altima. Believe me, you do not want to start road raging with an Altima owner either. Obviously these actions aren't the sole property of Altima owners. Dodge Chargers are also maniacs in their own way. But there is definitely something very statistically significant about the insanity of a disproportionate number of Altima owners.
        fatfingerd 3y ago
        I'm not sure the value connection can't be the largest factor. If you feel forced to buy a car and drive because you live in a car only area, I can see why you would buy the best value one and be a pretty hostile driver who occasionally decides to "have fun" with it. They seem like the road equivalent of waitresses who only wear the minimum flair.
        s1artibartfast 3y ago
        I bet you could run a similar analysis and look at the number of DUI arrests by car make and get a similar result. People who get DUIs might be more likely to buy certain types of cars, but no type of car makes someone drink and drive
        talldatethrow 3y ago
        No it's not. This is more similar to a waitress that doesn't wash her hands after going to the bathroom because f you, she'll do whatever she wants.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    So what does that imply about Dodge Challenger drivers, which is both a larger car and significantly more deadly?
    - talldatethrow 3y ago
      They are driven by even crazier people. They are a mix of the same disregard for society, but with the added bonus of gigantic ego.
- dehrmann 3y ago
  Another way: compare midsize luxury cars with midsize regular cars. People who buy midsize luxury cars die less often, and so do the people they're in crashes with.
youainti 3y ago
Statistics is partof the solid reasoning you need here. The technical name is called causal inference and it lets you figure out how the statistics would differ based on which is true.

talldatethrow 3y ago

A) Yes. These two are popular Rental cars and cheap throw away cars people with bad credit often buy or lease. These land on the used market where they are again bought by even lower tier bad credit or people in a bind that will take anything. And then another tier of the same bought 3rd hand for cash from tax refunds or cash jobs. Why these drivers drive a certain way is up in the air still I guess. "Big Altima Energy" is a common meme on car forums.

dublinben 3y ago
People with poor judgement (in financial matters) continue to express poor judgement while driving. While on the road, I treat all Nissans as potential accidents waiting to happen.
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  It's sad because in the 90s Nissan was still a SOLID company possibly even better than Honda and close to Toyota. We bought a 96 Maxima new a few years after coming to the US and even now as a true car enthusiast I would say that was a quality car. Nothing like that exists at Nissan today. Not even close since about 1999.
  - wodenokoto 3y ago
    The thread says the cars are good and good value. This is what causes them to be dangerous on the road. First they are rental, meaning they are driven hard and by drivers that don’t know the car and don’t have incentives to drive in ways that are good for breaks and engine. Then they get put on the 2nd hand market, where the thread speculate that they are bought by people who are in a financial bind and whatever lies behind the bad decisions that led them to said bind is reflected in their driving. This a good economical safe car attracts accidents.
    - talldatethrow 3y ago
      It honestly isn't just that. It doesn't 'attract accidents'. These cars attract aggressive anti social people. I'm from the central valley. I see a lot of "big Altima energy" although you'll see it in Oakland, San Jose and those types too. Main point, I see tons of them. They are driven beyond the legal limit of "aggressiveness" all the damn time. Someone speeding through a parking lot.. Altima. Someone running a read light.. Altima. Someone doing illegal crazy uturns? Altima. Believe me, you do not want to start road raging with an Altima owner either. Obviously these actions aren't the sole property of Altima owners. Dodge Chargers are also maniacs in their own way. But there is definitely something very statistically significant about the insanity of a disproportionate number of Altima owners.
      - fatfingerd 3y ago
        I'm not sure the value connection can't be the largest factor. If you feel forced to buy a car and drive because you live in a car only area, I can see why you would buy the best value one and be a pretty hostile driver who occasionally decides to "have fun" with it. They seem like the road equivalent of waitresses who only wear the minimum flair.
        s1artibartfast 3y ago
        I bet you could run a similar analysis and look at the number of DUI arrests by car make and get a similar result. People who get DUIs might be more likely to buy certain types of cars, but no type of car makes someone drink and drive
        talldatethrow 3y ago
        No it's not. This is more similar to a waitress that doesn't wash her hands after going to the bathroom because f you, she'll do whatever she wants.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  So what does that imply about Dodge Challenger drivers, which is both a larger car and significantly more deadly?
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
    They are driven by even crazier people. They are a mix of the same disregard for society, but with the added bonus of gigantic ego.
dehrmann 3y ago
Another way: compare midsize luxury cars with midsize regular cars. People who buy midsize luxury cars die less often, and so do the people they're in crashes with.

youainti 3y ago

Statistics is partof the solid reasoning you need here. The technical name is called causal inference and it lets you figure out how the statistics would differ based on which is true.