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If anything this will kill the cloud. I had the unfortunate pleasure of working on remote windows at { large financial institution }. It was a nightmare. Yes

by bb88 3y ago

If anything this will kill the cloud. I had the unfortunate pleasure of working on remote windows at { large financial institution }. It was a nightmare. Yes they got a huge immediate cash savings on hardware, but at the cost of worker productivity. The response time from keypress to response was literally like I was in 1992 working with a dialup connection to a terminal server. Oh, also the executives got their own laptops, so they didn't dogfood their own solution.

alanwreath 3y ago
Duuude - it’s like they wanted to make you hate remote. It was the one place I couldn’t stand remote work.
- bb88 3y ago
  No. This was on site even! Everything was a lightweight terminal connecting to an oversubscribed cluster. Meanwhile the managers, (I only assume), got huge bonuses out of it.
  - pkulak 3y ago
    Don't forget the dinners and nights out.
    - bb88 3y ago
      Or the down payment on the vacation house in the catskills....
  - rpz 3y ago
    Same story at Citigroup. Happened around 2017
rbanffy 3y ago
> Oh, also the executives got their own laptops, so they didn't dogfood their own solution. Things like this happen when the person who signs the check is not the person who actually uses the software. Also, no matter the resulting clusterfuck, the project is always successful.
xyzelement 3y ago
The hedge fund I was at was the same way. So annoying to work on a. Virtual desktop from the office. Then COVID hit and all of a sudden we all worked from home exactly the same way. It was a wow moment of how prepared we were comparing to everyone.
- bb88 3y ago
  Your bean counters have too much power.
  - xyzelement 3y ago
    What does that even mean? Pretty sure it was the CTOs idea that cost more than just hanging laptops but ended up really helping the company out during COVID
rejectfinite 3y ago
Sounds like a bad Citrix or RDP implementation. Yes, it is never as good as native, but it's not that bad if done properly. Citrix/RDP farm should NEVER be used for cost savings. It is for data control. But bean counters think it saves costs... and user experience suffer.
- ChainOfFools 3y ago
  Yeah I don't know where this guy is coming from, but their set up must have been provisioned in a deliberately suboptimal way or criminally oversubscribed. Unless you're gaming or expecting scrolling at a rock solid 75 HZ+ refresh current gen RDP is almost indistinguishable from running a local desktop over an internal gigabit link. Even even over a paltry 15mbit consumer grade cable internet uplink it is possible to play full screen YouTube videos in high def over plain vanilla RDP version 8, without even getting into any of the (often quite flaky and at this point highly redundant) Citrix enhancements.
  - bb88 3y ago
    > 75 HZ+ refresh current gen RDP is almost indistinguishable from running a local desktop over an internal gigabit link. Well.. for starters, it's fast only if your datacenter where the RDP/Citrix server is close to the terminals. If ping time is 100ms round trip, then yeah, it's gonna be slow, and it's going to begin to resemble dial-up. > ... or criminally oversubscribed Yes! and people got bonuses out of it!
- xmcqdpt2 3y ago
  We use Citrix at work. I was apprehensive at first but actually it's pretty great. I can just turn off my computer at the office and turn it back on at home and get back the same session. I can move to any stations in the building without issues. I don't need to carry around a laptop so I can go to the office with just my keycard and my wallet. I can buy whatever device I want for myself and use it for work too without actually mixing personal and work related computing at all. I've heard it costs more than buying new laptops to everyone every year.
hakfoo 3y ago
I could imagine it almost working as a two-tiered universe. You'll have a lot of thin-client/remote environments used for places where the primary metric is manageability. Think of how schools love Chromebooks, and places like call centres that simply want users in a bolted down kiosk mode. They don't care if the experience is miserable, but they like the idea that nobody's reading Lemmy. It's going to be a huge hairball for the more advanced user market. Your engineering and graphics and big-data people are going to need special tools with likely complex licensing and setup hassles, mitigating the manageability benefits, and you know there will be a point where hiring a big cloud machine gets pricier than buying an actual workstation. I wonder if some vendors will instead buy into a reduced-version of the concept for distribution though-- instead of ever getting a copy of the bits for AutoCAD or Photoshop, you just get a RDP login to a big machine running it, almost reinventing the X11 paradigm.

by bb88 3y ago

alanwreath 3y ago

Duuude - it’s like they wanted to make you hate remote. It was the one place I couldn’t stand remote work.

bb88 3y ago
No. This was on site even! Everything was a lightweight terminal connecting to an oversubscribed cluster. Meanwhile the managers, (I only assume), got huge bonuses out of it.
- pkulak 3y ago
  Don't forget the dinners and nights out.
  - bb88 3y ago
    Or the down payment on the vacation house in the catskills....
- rpz 3y ago
  Same story at Citigroup. Happened around 2017

rbanffy 3y ago

> Oh, also the executives got their own laptops, so they didn't dogfood their own solution. Things like this happen when the person who signs the check is not the person who actually uses the software. Also, no matter the resulting clusterfuck, the project is always successful.

xyzelement 3y ago

The hedge fund I was at was the same way. So annoying to work on a. Virtual desktop from the office. Then COVID hit and all of a sudden we all worked from home exactly the same way. It was a wow moment of how prepared we were comparing to everyone.

bb88 3y ago
Your bean counters have too much power.
- xyzelement 3y ago
  What does that even mean? Pretty sure it was the CTOs idea that cost more than just hanging laptops but ended up really helping the company out during COVID

rejectfinite 3y ago

Sounds like a bad Citrix or RDP implementation. Yes, it is never as good as native, but it's not that bad if done properly. Citrix/RDP farm should NEVER be used for cost savings. It is for data control. But bean counters think it saves costs... and user experience suffer.

ChainOfFools 3y ago
Yeah I don't know where this guy is coming from, but their set up must have been provisioned in a deliberately suboptimal way or criminally oversubscribed. Unless you're gaming or expecting scrolling at a rock solid 75 HZ+ refresh current gen RDP is almost indistinguishable from running a local desktop over an internal gigabit link. Even even over a paltry 15mbit consumer grade cable internet uplink it is possible to play full screen YouTube videos in high def over plain vanilla RDP version 8, without even getting into any of the (often quite flaky and at this point highly redundant) Citrix enhancements.
- bb88 3y ago
  > 75 HZ+ refresh current gen RDP is almost indistinguishable from running a local desktop over an internal gigabit link. Well.. for starters, it's fast only if your datacenter where the RDP/Citrix server is close to the terminals. If ping time is 100ms round trip, then yeah, it's gonna be slow, and it's going to begin to resemble dial-up. > ... or criminally oversubscribed Yes! and people got bonuses out of it!
xmcqdpt2 3y ago
We use Citrix at work. I was apprehensive at first but actually it's pretty great. I can just turn off my computer at the office and turn it back on at home and get back the same session. I can move to any stations in the building without issues. I don't need to carry around a laptop so I can go to the office with just my keycard and my wallet. I can buy whatever device I want for myself and use it for work too without actually mixing personal and work related computing at all. I've heard it costs more than buying new laptops to everyone every year.

hakfoo 3y ago

I could imagine it almost working as a two-tiered universe. You'll have a lot of thin-client/remote environments used for places where the primary metric is manageability. Think of how schools love Chromebooks, and places like call centres that simply want users in a bolted down kiosk mode. They don't care if the experience is miserable, but they like the idea that nobody's reading Lemmy. It's going to be a huge hairball for the more advanced user market. Your engineering and graphics and big-data people are going to need special tools with likely complex licensing and setup hassles, mitigating the manageability benefits, and you know there will be a point where hiring a big cloud machine gets pricier than buying an actual workstation. I wonder if some vendors will instead buy into a reduced-version of the concept for distribution though-- instead of ever getting a copy of the bits for AutoCAD or Photoshop, you just get a RDP login to a big machine running it, almost reinventing the X11 paradigm.