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It's not a "totally different thing". It's different, yes, but not that different. The name "Community ENTerprise OS" is still perfectly accurate. The release

It's not a "totally different thing". It's different, yes, but not that different. The name "Community ENTerprise OS" is still perfectly accurate. The release model is a little different from CentOS and RHEL, but you still get LTS support comparable to every other LTS distro, you are still guaranteed no ABI changes, etc. RHEL is built from CentOS Stream, so nothing can go into CentOS Stream that wouldn't go into RHEL.

ndiddy 3y ago
>RHEL is built from CentOS Stream, so nothing can go into CentOS Stream that wouldn't go into RHEL. This isn't strictly true. The main problem with CentOS Stream is that embargoed security updates don't go into Stream until after they ship in RHEL. This means that if the developer responsible for the patch forgets to commit it to Stream, it can take weeks or even months until somebody at Red Hat notices and the patch goes out to Stream users. As one example, a couple months ago basic packages like httpd and php were 4 and 5 months behind RHEL, respectively.
- dralley 3y ago
  I'll point out that automation is gradually being built to avoid that kind of scenario, however.
- bonzini 3y ago
  The problem with httpd and PHP is due to issues with modularity in CentOS Stream 8. This is fixed in 9.
kijin 3y ago
Yeah, Stream is okay if you don't require bug-for-bug compatibility with RHEL and just want a familiar, relatively stable, rpm-based distro. I would say its role corresponds loosely to Debian testing, whereas Fedora is more like sid. In reality, though, I've been advising clients to treat Stream as nothing more than a stopgap solution until they can migrate to something Debian-based. We've been burned once by the untimely EOL of CentOS 8, and the continuing drama just doesn't instill confidence in the future of any free-as-in-beer distro related to Red Hat.

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It's not a "totally different thing". It's different, yes, but not that different. The name "Community ENTerprise OS" is still perfectly accurate. The release

by dralley 3y ago

ndiddy 3y ago
>RHEL is built from CentOS Stream, so nothing can go into CentOS Stream that wouldn't go into RHEL. This isn't strictly true. The main problem with CentOS Stream is that embargoed security updates don't go into Stream until after they ship in RHEL. This means that if the developer responsible for the patch forgets to commit it to Stream, it can take weeks or even months until somebody at Red Hat notices and the patch goes out to Stream users. As one example, a couple months ago basic packages like httpd and php were 4 and 5 months behind RHEL, respectively.
- dralley 3y ago
  I'll point out that automation is gradually being built to avoid that kind of scenario, however.
- bonzini 3y ago
  The problem with httpd and PHP is due to issues with modularity in CentOS Stream 8. This is fixed in 9.
kijin 3y ago
Yeah, Stream is okay if you don't require bug-for-bug compatibility with RHEL and just want a familiar, relatively stable, rpm-based distro. I would say its role corresponds loosely to Debian testing, whereas Fedora is more like sid. In reality, though, I've been advising clients to treat Stream as nothing more than a stopgap solution until they can migrate to something Debian-based. We've been burned once by the untimely EOL of CentOS 8, and the continuing drama just doesn't instill confidence in the future of any free-as-in-beer distro related to Red Hat.