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> and MacOS is attached to overpriced mediocrity I'm not a mac user but calling the M1/M2 macbooks overpriced mediocrity is simply ridiculous and shows how out

> and MacOS is attached to overpriced mediocrity I'm not a mac user but calling the M1/M2 macbooks overpriced mediocrity is simply ridiculous and shows how out of touch you are.

deprecative 3y ago
Sure, but then you get a piece of shit that randomly shuts your USB ports off every few minutes. Why anyone spends money on their products is beyond me.
mulmen 3y ago
> I'm not a mac user but calling the M1/M2 macbooks overpriced mediocrity is simply ridiculous and shows how out of touch you are. M1/M2 are hardware. MacOS is software. As far as operating systems go MacOS is very much mediocre.
- tzs 3y ago
  > M1/M2 are hardware The comment he was replying to saids that MacOS is "attached to overpriced mediocrity". It seems pretty clear that is talking about hardware.
- lockhouse 3y ago
  I wouldn't say mediocre, it's... -Relatively secure -Game changing integration with my other Apple products (NOBODY else does this) -Stays out of my way for the most part -Runs important commercial software like Office365 natively -UNIX shell right out of the box -Homebrew is a decent package manager and easy to install -Emacs key binds for text entry fields across the entire OS -It's a little thing, but the animations and sounds make it kind of fun to use It's a bit inflexible, and the UNIX layer could use some love and modernization, I'll give you that, but once you learn to work within the paradigm, I think it's actually a really good OS. Oh, and you definitely need to install something like Rectangle to get window snapping, I can't go without that after using it on Windows and Linux, but that's easy enough to fix.
  - diffeomorphism 3y ago
    > Game changing integration with my other Apple products (NOBODY else does this) Eh, not really. They do it really well and present it very nicely, but mostly sherlocked and not at all unique. Also, it really stumbles once you throw any non-apple stuff in.
baz00 3y ago
They're not wrong. I've got an M1 14" MacBook Pro and a ThinkPad T14 gen 3. The MacBook is in the cupboard and the ThinkPad does the work. Despite a few rough edges it's a lot more useful and easier to drive. I genuinely prefer windows 11 as well. Less eye poking. Also from the macos side of things, some macos ports of software I use are dire and unusable.
- rbanffy 3y ago
  Curious: what is the software you use?
  - baz00 3y ago
    Office 365 + Maxima + LTspice + VSCode + Photoshop + Lightroom + TeX/LaTeX mostly. LTspice, Maxima and O365 are horrible on macos.
Arainach 3y ago
There's more to a computer than hardware. M1 Macs have great performance and battery life but the experience of using OS X is awful. Why pay $1500 for a system with poor multiple monitor support, poor mixed DPI support, no keyboard shortcuts for things such as snapping windows, no ability to name virtual desktops, and so many other problems?
- hellisothers 3y ago
  Because those things are not really that important in the grand scheme of things?
  - Arainach 3y ago
    They're absolutely important. They're things I deal with multiple times a day every day. My work laptop is a Mac. My work workstation is a Linux (Gnome) machine. My personal workstation is a Windows 10 machine (not upgrading until they bring back side taskbar). I own and regularly use a Chromebook. I am familiar with all the major desktop environments and OS X is my least favorite.
    - jcrash 3y ago
      Well, I like it!
- fragmede 3y ago
  If work forces one on you, you can just buy the right adapter*, and install** some*** software**** helpers*****, and move on with your life. * https://www.sonnetstore.com/products/displaylink-dual-displayport-adapter-for-m1-macs https://www.sonnetstore.com/products/displaylink-dual-displa... ** https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/ *** https://github.com/dado3212/spaces-renamer https://github.com/dado3212/spaces-renamer **** https://contexts.co/ https://contexts.co/ ***** https://github.com/dbalatero/SkyRocket.spoon https://github.com/dbalatero/SkyRocket.spoon
  - Arainach 3y ago
mastazi 3y ago
It also depends on what parent's needs are though. Maybe they are in a situation where being able to install a PCIE card is necessary. With Mac, your only option in that case would be the Pro, which is basically an overpriced Mac Studio with PCIE slots, as Marques Brownlee puts it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2KbwC-s7pY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2KbwC-s7pY Edit: as some of the sibling comments are saying, maybe parent was talking about Mac OS itself, not the hardware. Some things in Mac OS leave a lot to be desired IME, e.g. windows tiling (can be solved by installing something like Rectangle but really it should be part of the OS) https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/

> and MacOS is attached to overpriced mediocrity I'm not a mac user but calling the M1/M2 macbooks overpriced mediocrity is simply ridiculous and shows how out of touch you are.

deprecative 3y ago

Sure, but then you get a piece of shit that randomly shuts your USB ports off every few minutes. Why anyone spends money on their products is beyond me.

mulmen 3y ago

> I'm not a mac user but calling the M1/M2 macbooks overpriced mediocrity is simply ridiculous and shows how out of touch you are. M1/M2 are hardware. MacOS is software. As far as operating systems go MacOS is very much mediocre.

tzs 3y ago
> M1/M2 are hardware The comment he was replying to saids that MacOS is "attached to overpriced mediocrity". It seems pretty clear that is talking about hardware.
lockhouse 3y ago
I wouldn't say mediocre, it's... -Relatively secure -Game changing integration with my other Apple products (NOBODY else does this) -Stays out of my way for the most part -Runs important commercial software like Office365 natively -UNIX shell right out of the box -Homebrew is a decent package manager and easy to install -Emacs key binds for text entry fields across the entire OS -It's a little thing, but the animations and sounds make it kind of fun to use It's a bit inflexible, and the UNIX layer could use some love and modernization, I'll give you that, but once you learn to work within the paradigm, I think it's actually a really good OS. Oh, and you definitely need to install something like Rectangle to get window snapping, I can't go without that after using it on Windows and Linux, but that's easy enough to fix.
- diffeomorphism 3y ago
  > Game changing integration with my other Apple products (NOBODY else does this) Eh, not really. They do it really well and present it very nicely, but mostly sherlocked and not at all unique. Also, it really stumbles once you throw any non-apple stuff in.

baz00 3y ago

They're not wrong. I've got an M1 14" MacBook Pro and a ThinkPad T14 gen 3. The MacBook is in the cupboard and the ThinkPad does the work. Despite a few rough edges it's a lot more useful and easier to drive. I genuinely prefer windows 11 as well. Less eye poking. Also from the macos side of things, some macos ports of software I use are dire and unusable.

rbanffy 3y ago
Curious: what is the software you use?
- baz00 3y ago
  Office 365 + Maxima + LTspice + VSCode + Photoshop + Lightroom + TeX/LaTeX mostly. LTspice, Maxima and O365 are horrible on macos.

Arainach 3y ago

There's more to a computer than hardware. M1 Macs have great performance and battery life but the experience of using OS X is awful. Why pay $1500 for a system with poor multiple monitor support, poor mixed DPI support, no keyboard shortcuts for things such as snapping windows, no ability to name virtual desktops, and so many other problems?

hellisothers 3y ago
Because those things are not really that important in the grand scheme of things?
- Arainach 3y ago
  They're absolutely important. They're things I deal with multiple times a day every day. My work laptop is a Mac. My work workstation is a Linux (Gnome) machine. My personal workstation is a Windows 10 machine (not upgrading until they bring back side taskbar). I own and regularly use a Chromebook. I am familiar with all the major desktop environments and OS X is my least favorite.
  - jcrash 3y ago
    Well, I like it!
fragmede 3y ago
If work forces one on you, you can just buy the right adapter*, and install** some*** software**** helpers*****, and move on with your life. * https://www.sonnetstore.com/products/displaylink-dual-displayport-adapter-for-m1-macs https://www.sonnetstore.com/products/displaylink-dual-displa... ** https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/ *** https://github.com/dado3212/spaces-renamer https://github.com/dado3212/spaces-renamer **** https://contexts.co/ https://contexts.co/ ***** https://github.com/dbalatero/SkyRocket.spoon https://github.com/dbalatero/SkyRocket.spoon
- Arainach 3y ago

mastazi 3y ago

It also depends on what parent's needs are though. Maybe they are in a situation where being able to install a PCIE card is necessary. With Mac, your only option in that case would be the Pro, which is basically an overpriced Mac Studio with PCIE slots, as Marques Brownlee puts it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2KbwC-s7pY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2KbwC-s7pY Edit: as some of the sibling comments are saying, maybe parent was talking about Mac OS itself, not the hardware. Some things in Mac OS leave a lot to be desired IME, e.g. windows tiling (can be solved by installing something like Rectangle but really it should be part of the OS) https://rectangleapp.com/ https://rectangleapp.com/