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I tested my biases, guessing that Nissan cars and Dodge trucks would have the highest due to my driving experiences. Sure enough, both led their respective cat

I tested my biases, guessing that Nissan cars and Dodge trucks would have the highest due to my driving experiences. Sure enough, both led their respective categories.

vgeek 3y ago
I just spent 30 minutes toggling through the filters and can confirm this, along with my own similar experiences. Trucks don't seem much safer for occupants, while being much worse than expected for other parties.
- silisili 3y ago
  I noticed the same, but only for large and extra large pickups. It actually made me feel better about driving a small/midsize pickup (Colorado). It's crazy that the extra large trucks have a 4-5x other driver death rate over a reasonably sized pickup.
  - prpl 3y ago
    are we sure that it isn’t the case they are just least likely to wear a seat belt/more likely to speed?
    - silisili 3y ago
      That makes sense on the driver death rate, sure. I was looking at the 'other driver', meaning people they crashed into. A small truck like a Tacoma or Colorado scores somewhere in the 40-50 range for other driver death rate. This on par with a Honda Accord, for example. In contrast, a RAM 3500 scores 189! Makes you really wonder if such things should be legal.
      - klyrs 3y ago
        Hot take coming to a court near you: the second amendment says "arms" and not "guns."
    - vgeek 3y ago
      In my 20 year old luxo-barge car (see: a once large vehicle, average/small by today's standards), I am frequently at eye level with wheel wells and the hood is 2ft+ taller than my roofline on stock trucks. Combine that with the weight, any t-bone type accident (or pedestrians-- there is no bouncing off the hood, just absorbing the wall of energy) will be that much worse. Vehicles keep getting so much larger and are erasing any drive-train improvements in efficiency. Today's 3rd gen Tacomas (which were once a compact pickup) are similar in size to late 90's full-size domestics. That other large SUVs like Suburbans/Tahoes (same platform as GM trucks) do not have the same opposing death rate, could suggest that things like driver behavior play an equally large role. This theory (along with the seat belt usage) could be supported by the high rates of driver fatalities in the Dodge muscle (marked as large, but RWD Hemi...) car segment.
  - denimnerd42 3y ago
    large and extra large trucks pull trailers. trailers are crazy dangerous. I don't drive above 55 with mine but that is not at all common.
LispSporks22 3y ago
Huh. I had the same bias. What is it with Altima drivers specifically I wonder?
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- denimnerd42 3y ago
  Nissan loves sub prime leasees. Those cars get trashed/crashed and end up in even less affluent hands. The altima without a bumper is just as common as with in my area. There's a reason credit score is a major factor in your insurance rate.
  - porknubbins 3y ago
    I live in a high crime area 4th gen Altima is the most common getaway car in the city. If if am at a gas station with an Altima with full tint just parked I keep one eye on it all times. It seems like there was a time when honest lower income people drove used old trucks and cars that they maintained. But the US wealth level has increased to the point that we are essentially casting off 10 year old cars to be used by a criminal class that won’t bother to maintain anything, just constantly acquires cars and uses them until they break down.
- hooverd 3y ago
  Cheap loans?
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petre 3y ago
There's a reason they are called dodge trucks /s
- silisili 3y ago
  I think they actually rebranded the division as just RAM, which, given the context, may be even worse...

I tested my biases, guessing that Nissan cars and Dodge trucks would have the highest due to my driving experiences. Sure enough, both led their respective categories.

vgeek 3y ago

I just spent 30 minutes toggling through the filters and can confirm this, along with my own similar experiences. Trucks don't seem much safer for occupants, while being much worse than expected for other parties.

silisili 3y ago
I noticed the same, but only for large and extra large pickups. It actually made me feel better about driving a small/midsize pickup (Colorado). It's crazy that the extra large trucks have a 4-5x other driver death rate over a reasonably sized pickup.
- prpl 3y ago
  are we sure that it isn’t the case they are just least likely to wear a seat belt/more likely to speed?
  - silisili 3y ago
    That makes sense on the driver death rate, sure. I was looking at the 'other driver', meaning people they crashed into. A small truck like a Tacoma or Colorado scores somewhere in the 40-50 range for other driver death rate. This on par with a Honda Accord, for example. In contrast, a RAM 3500 scores 189! Makes you really wonder if such things should be legal.
    - klyrs 3y ago
      Hot take coming to a court near you: the second amendment says "arms" and not "guns."
  - vgeek 3y ago
    In my 20 year old luxo-barge car (see: a once large vehicle, average/small by today's standards), I am frequently at eye level with wheel wells and the hood is 2ft+ taller than my roofline on stock trucks. Combine that with the weight, any t-bone type accident (or pedestrians-- there is no bouncing off the hood, just absorbing the wall of energy) will be that much worse. Vehicles keep getting so much larger and are erasing any drive-train improvements in efficiency. Today's 3rd gen Tacomas (which were once a compact pickup) are similar in size to late 90's full-size domestics. That other large SUVs like Suburbans/Tahoes (same platform as GM trucks) do not have the same opposing death rate, could suggest that things like driver behavior play an equally large role. This theory (along with the seat belt usage) could be supported by the high rates of driver fatalities in the Dodge muscle (marked as large, but RWD Hemi...) car segment.
- denimnerd42 3y ago
  large and extra large trucks pull trailers. trailers are crazy dangerous. I don't drive above 55 with mine but that is not at all common.

LispSporks22 3y ago

Huh. I had the same bias. What is it with Altima drivers specifically I wonder?

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denimnerd42 3y ago
Nissan loves sub prime leasees. Those cars get trashed/crashed and end up in even less affluent hands. The altima without a bumper is just as common as with in my area. There's a reason credit score is a major factor in your insurance rate.
- porknubbins 3y ago
  I live in a high crime area 4th gen Altima is the most common getaway car in the city. If if am at a gas station with an Altima with full tint just parked I keep one eye on it all times. It seems like there was a time when honest lower income people drove used old trucks and cars that they maintained. But the US wealth level has increased to the point that we are essentially casting off 10 year old cars to be used by a criminal class that won’t bother to maintain anything, just constantly acquires cars and uses them until they break down.
hooverd 3y ago
Cheap loans?
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petre 3y ago

There's a reason they are called dodge trucks /s

silisili 3y ago
I think they actually rebranded the division as just RAM, which, given the context, may be even worse...