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Who needs 20Mbit/s for Zoom? Are they sending 4K UHD from a pro DSLR? My ISP (cable modem) was around 25Mbit/s down, 5Mbit/s up in the before times, and they'v

Who needs 20Mbit/s for Zoom? Are they sending 4K UHD from a pro DSLR? My ISP (cable modem) was around 25Mbit/s down, 5Mbit/s up in the before times, and they've rapidly upgraded speeds a few times since the lockdowns, but mine's been max 20Mbit upstream, and no complaints. I've used every app there is for realtime meetings. https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362023-Zoom-system-requirements-Windows-macOS-Linux#h_d278c327-e03d-4896-b19a-96a8f3c0c69c https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/201362023-Zoom-sys... Zoom recommended 3.8Mbit/sec. Most third parties recommend 5. 20 is ridiculous, and will allow for 3 of your kids playing Fortnite and Netflix all day while Dad's in meetings.

casey2 3y ago
You aren't just at the mercy of your housemates, at peak times 20Mb can drop to 1Mb easily. Advertised speeds are a theoretical maximum.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  I suppose that my ISP has some really great backbone service in my area, then, because dropouts and "peak hours" mean nothing to me.
Etheryte 3y ago
"640K [of memory] ought to be enough for anyone."
crest 3y ago
If you want to send a copy of your camera stream to everyone on the call from your device directly for lower latency...
- ckdarby 3y ago
  That is not how Zoom works today...
  - cannonpalms 3y ago
    AFAICR, Teams was still single-plexing like this as of ~2 years ago. I wonder if that has changed.
TheKarateKid 3y ago
You can never apply the "____ is more than enough" theory to technology. Remember when DSL felt as fast as driving a Ferrari?
simlevesque 3y ago
This assumes this is the only traffic on your network. Nowadays it's never true. Also I'd guess most people's network has mote than one user at a time.
cornstalks 3y ago
4+ kids in a family is pretty common in Bountiful. Some I know have more than twice that (my own is >4). During COVID everyone would be in calls at the same time (school for kids, work for parent(s)). People are back in person now but we still have snow days occasionally. So yeah, 20 Mbps up can really suck, especially when you realize the advertised speeds are only "up to."
- say_it_as_it_is 3y ago
  4+ kids?! They don't call it Bountiful for nothing.
  - foobarbecue 3y ago
    There are a lot of Mormons in Utah, and Mormons have a lot of kids.
- andrepd 3y ago
  Surely 4+ people in simultaneous FHD calls is a corner case, no?
  - bunabhucan 3y ago
    School online was video conferencing for each kid on their own devices.
klabb3 3y ago
Remember that Zoom became popular during Covid. Another less recent but massively popular thing is TV streaming. The point is: it’s a thought error to look at what is mainstream today to determine the potential of tomorrow. It’s akin to dismissing cheap electricity based on that we already have enough light bulbs. Fast reliable internet is infrastructure, which is not exciting on its own. However, if widely available, new downstream opportunities open up that otherwise nobody would be foolish enough to invest in. But most importantly, it’s not expensive for being infrastructure. Americans in particular are already overpaying insanely for internet.
thegreatpeter 3y ago
do you work for comcast?
Zigurd 3y ago
I'm sending 4k video from a moderately priced camera, sometimes to large conference rooms with a big screen and 4k projector.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> Who needs 20Mbit/s for Zoom? No one cares about "needs". We want maximum bandwidth and zero limits on its use. We'll figure out what to do with it.
- fragmede 3y ago
  I'm on board, but if 10-gig costs $500/month, I'm going to have to reconsider. 100 Mbit (symmetric) for $40/month is a bit closer to what my budget can handle.

casey2 3y ago

You aren't just at the mercy of your housemates, at peak times 20Mb can drop to 1Mb easily. Advertised speeds are a theoretical maximum.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
I suppose that my ISP has some really great backbone service in my area, then, because dropouts and "peak hours" mean nothing to me.

Etheryte 3y ago

"640K [of memory] ought to be enough for anyone."

crest 3y ago

If you want to send a copy of your camera stream to everyone on the call from your device directly for lower latency...

ckdarby 3y ago
That is not how Zoom works today...
- cannonpalms 3y ago
  AFAICR, Teams was still single-plexing like this as of ~2 years ago. I wonder if that has changed.

TheKarateKid 3y ago

You can never apply the "____ is more than enough" theory to technology. Remember when DSL felt as fast as driving a Ferrari?

simlevesque 3y ago

This assumes this is the only traffic on your network. Nowadays it's never true. Also I'd guess most people's network has mote than one user at a time.

cornstalks 3y ago

4+ kids in a family is pretty common in Bountiful. Some I know have more than twice that (my own is >4). During COVID everyone would be in calls at the same time (school for kids, work for parent(s)). People are back in person now but we still have snow days occasionally. So yeah, 20 Mbps up can really suck, especially when you realize the advertised speeds are only "up to."

say_it_as_it_is 3y ago
4+ kids?! They don't call it Bountiful for nothing.
- foobarbecue 3y ago
  There are a lot of Mormons in Utah, and Mormons have a lot of kids.
andrepd 3y ago
Surely 4+ people in simultaneous FHD calls is a corner case, no?
- bunabhucan 3y ago
  School online was video conferencing for each kid on their own devices.

klabb3 3y ago

Remember that Zoom became popular during Covid. Another less recent but massively popular thing is TV streaming. The point is: it’s a thought error to look at what is mainstream today to determine the potential of tomorrow. It’s akin to dismissing cheap electricity based on that we already have enough light bulbs. Fast reliable internet is infrastructure, which is not exciting on its own. However, if widely available, new downstream opportunities open up that otherwise nobody would be foolish enough to invest in. But most importantly, it’s not expensive for being infrastructure. Americans in particular are already overpaying insanely for internet.

thegreatpeter 3y ago

do you work for comcast?

Zigurd 3y ago

I'm sending 4k video from a moderately priced camera, sometimes to large conference rooms with a big screen and 4k projector.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> Who needs 20Mbit/s for Zoom? No one cares about "needs". We want maximum bandwidth and zero limits on its use. We'll figure out what to do with it.

fragmede 3y ago
I'm on board, but if 10-gig costs $500/month, I'm going to have to reconsider. 100 Mbit (symmetric) for $40/month is a bit closer to what my budget can handle.