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You don't even need a co-op for this. Local, municipal, non-profit power companies are like this too. The city of Santa Clara, in the heart of Silicon Valley,

You don't even need a co-op for this. Local, municipal, non-profit power companies are like this too. The city of Santa Clara, in the heart of Silicon Valley, has its own power company. Their rates are less than 1/2 of PG&E (which they are surrounded by) and they were for example offering green energy back in 2005. And as you point out, were much better about maintenance. I really miss being served by SVP.

eppp 3y ago
Munis will almost always beat any other electric provider including rural coops because their customer per mile is a multiple of a rural operator. It ends up making the coops look terrible because we have to cut an order of magnitude more vegetation for the same amount of customers.
- hedora 3y ago
  With PG&E, all of that is rounding error. They’ve been hollowed out by decades of fraud and infrastructure neglect. In addition to dealing with inflated California construction costs, they also routinely block construction projects and urgent home repairs.
  - labcomputer 3y ago
    Add corruption to that. PG&E was insolvent (liabilities >> assets) and required a bailout from the state (because nobody would pay more than zero dollars for the company). That the state didn't simply take the assets and indemnify the previous owners for the liabilities (thus turning it into a giant "municipal" power company) speaks to corruption in CPUC and the state in general.
- oblib 3y ago
  We may pay more than urban areas around us, I'm really not sure, but not all rural areas around us are serviced by the co-op and they do pay quite a bit more. We have 3 damns generating power very close by us, two that are pretty big, but I doubt that has much to do with our rates. If anything it's slowed the need for a natural gas or coal fired power power plant nearby, but there are those within 50 miles near the bigger metro areas around us. No nukes close by though.
labcomputer 3y ago
> Their rates are less than 1/2 of PG&E And their website is approximately 3141 times better than PG&E's. Electrical reliability and customer service are better, too. It's hard to overstate how much better municipal power companies are compared to for-profit ones (LADWP is better than SoCal Edison).

eppp 3y ago

Munis will almost always beat any other electric provider including rural coops because their customer per mile is a multiple of a rural operator. It ends up making the coops look terrible because we have to cut an order of magnitude more vegetation for the same amount of customers.

hedora 3y ago
With PG&E, all of that is rounding error. They’ve been hollowed out by decades of fraud and infrastructure neglect. In addition to dealing with inflated California construction costs, they also routinely block construction projects and urgent home repairs.
- labcomputer 3y ago
  Add corruption to that. PG&E was insolvent (liabilities >> assets) and required a bailout from the state (because nobody would pay more than zero dollars for the company). That the state didn't simply take the assets and indemnify the previous owners for the liabilities (thus turning it into a giant "municipal" power company) speaks to corruption in CPUC and the state in general.
oblib 3y ago
We may pay more than urban areas around us, I'm really not sure, but not all rural areas around us are serviced by the co-op and they do pay quite a bit more. We have 3 damns generating power very close by us, two that are pretty big, but I doubt that has much to do with our rates. If anything it's slowed the need for a natural gas or coal fired power power plant nearby, but there are those within 50 miles near the bigger metro areas around us. No nukes close by though.

labcomputer 3y ago

> Their rates are less than 1/2 of PG&E And their website is approximately 3141 times better than PG&E's. Electrical reliability and customer service are better, too. It's hard to overstate how much better municipal power companies are compared to for-profit ones (LADWP is better than SoCal Edison).