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There is a tendency to call any scientific work that came out of anywhere in the former USSR as "Russian". Nikolay Bogolyubov is probably at least as "Ukrainia

There is a tendency to call any scientific work that came out of anywhere in the former USSR as "Russian". Nikolay Bogolyubov is probably at least as "Ukrainian" as "Russian": he grew up and went to university in Kyiv, became a member of the Academy of Sciences of the Ukrainian SSR, and now has a physics institute named after him in Kyiv (and another in Moscow) -> https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/bogolubov-nikolai-nikolaevich https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/dictionaries-thesauruse... and https://www.kipt.kharkov.ua/itp/akhiezer/en/recollections/bogolyubov/index.html https://www.kipt.kharkov.ua/itp/akhiezer/en/recollections/bo... https://en.ucoin.net/coin/ukraine-2-hryvni-2009/?tid=8957 https://en.ucoin.net/coin/ukraine-2-hryvni-2009/?tid=8957 This happens to lots of famous scientists/engineers (Sergey Korolev, Vladimir Vernadsky, ...). We can do a bit better.

sevasnape 3y ago
It's not a "tendency", it's truth. All people you mention are Russians because they were living in USSR, speaking Russian language, worked in Russia and for them Ukraine was an administrative region. Not to mention the fact that the country that denies Soviet legacy and achievement does not have moral right to attribute anything that has been done during the period to people and regime which despises their own past, legacy, sacrifices, relatives, and denies everything that has been done. So ridiculous.
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veeet 3y ago
Should we call them Soviet scientists then? Neither Russian science nor (esp.) Ukrainian science can be taken individually. Bogolyubov and Korolyev both are Russian names. Bogolyubov was born in Russia and he didn't speak any Ukranian, which maybe important here. I don't have a skin in the game. If Bogolyubov then came to US and did some research here, we could call him Russian born Ukranian-American. It's OK to list all the affiliations, it is not OK to pick and choose. "Russian" is correct (technicality, as this was indeed his nationality specified in the passport) but incomplete. Just "Ukranian" is incorrect. Yeah, we can do better. This conversation is an example how things could be blown out of proportion.
- zetadoop 3y ago
  It make sence to not map all soviet people to russians after Russia started invasion and killed 150.000 civilians in Mariupol only and people in Russia support that. Many of them have Ukrainian family names and nationalities. Also many people in Ukraine resist invasion with Russian family names and nationalities. If Bogolyubov was alive then he could decide what side to support. So calling him soviet is correct way to go. What practical use case could be for that new material? Can we make a battery with it or something practical?
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lifthrasiir 3y ago
Indeed the original draft said USSR, but we are talking about Russian theories, not USSR scientists who are ethnically Ukrainian. We came to realize that we have so little information about the exact theory and our best knowledge suggests that the theory is, while may or may not have been pioneered by a Ukrainian scientist (see the updated post), currently rooted in Russia and not in the former USSR.
- sevasnape 3y ago
  "Ethnic Ukrainian"? What is that? Someone from the village near Polish border?
justsomehnguy 3y ago
> Nikolay Bogolyubov was born on 21 August 1909 in Nizhny Novgorod, Russian Empire to Russian Orthodox Church priest and seminary teacher of theology, psychology and philosophy Nikolay Mikhaylovich Bogolyubov, and Olga Nikolayevna Bogolyubova, a teacher of music By your logic Euler is Russian

sevasnape 3y ago

It's not a "tendency", it's truth. All people you mention are Russians because they were living in USSR, speaking Russian language, worked in Russia and for them Ukraine was an administrative region. Not to mention the fact that the country that denies Soviet legacy and achievement does not have moral right to attribute anything that has been done during the period to people and regime which despises their own past, legacy, sacrifices, relatives, and denies everything that has been done. So ridiculous.

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veeet 3y ago

Should we call them Soviet scientists then? Neither Russian science nor (esp.) Ukrainian science can be taken individually. Bogolyubov and Korolyev both are Russian names. Bogolyubov was born in Russia and he didn't speak any Ukranian, which maybe important here. I don't have a skin in the game. If Bogolyubov then came to US and did some research here, we could call him Russian born Ukranian-American. It's OK to list all the affiliations, it is not OK to pick and choose. "Russian" is correct (technicality, as this was indeed his nationality specified in the passport) but incomplete. Just "Ukranian" is incorrect. Yeah, we can do better. This conversation is an example how things could be blown out of proportion.

zetadoop 3y ago
It make sence to not map all soviet people to russians after Russia started invasion and killed 150.000 civilians in Mariupol only and people in Russia support that. Many of them have Ukrainian family names and nationalities. Also many people in Ukraine resist invasion with Russian family names and nationalities. If Bogolyubov was alive then he could decide what side to support. So calling him soviet is correct way to go. What practical use case could be for that new material? Can we make a battery with it or something practical?
- sevasnape 3y ago
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lifthrasiir 3y ago

Indeed the original draft said USSR, but we are talking about Russian theories, not USSR scientists who are ethnically Ukrainian. We came to realize that we have so little information about the exact theory and our best knowledge suggests that the theory is, while may or may not have been pioneered by a Ukrainian scientist (see the updated post), currently rooted in Russia and not in the former USSR.

sevasnape 3y ago
"Ethnic Ukrainian"? What is that? Someone from the village near Polish border?

justsomehnguy 3y ago

> Nikolay Bogolyubov was born on 21 August 1909 in Nizhny Novgorod, Russian Empire to Russian Orthodox Church priest and seminary teacher of theology, psychology and philosophy Nikolay Mikhaylovich Bogolyubov, and Olga Nikolayevna Bogolyubova, a teacher of music By your logic Euler is Russian