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Not GNUStep. They are the absolute worst. Miguel de Icaza tried to work with them, and had to leave to create Gnome. Look at where they are and where Gnome is

Not GNUStep. They are the absolute worst. Miguel de Icaza tried to work with them, and had to leave to create Gnome. Look at where they are and where Gnome is now. Saddest story in all of open source.

pipeline_peak 3y ago
I’d say GNU Hurd is even sadder, not that it’s a contest. It’s a pretty humble world of high effort low output lol.
- NavinF 3y ago
  I can't imagine how that could have gone differently. If Hurd was completed in the 90s, would anyone use a kernel that was slower than linux because it doesn't share data structures between parts of the kernel? Even today people disable isolation to improve performance even though our desktops are faster than old supercomputers: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/optimize-pc-for-gaming-performance https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/opti... "Windows 11 security measures include Memory Integrity and Virtual Machine Platform (VMP) to protect against malware, which are features that can also disrupt gaming performance. If you choose to turn these features off before gaming, it can improve your performance and help you focus on the games at hand. Afterwards, it’s important to turn them on again since you are opening your PC up to risks while it’s less protected. For short periods, you might try turning off your Memory Integrity and VMP to see if you notice a difference."
  - pipeline_peak 3y ago
    > If Hurd was completed in the 90s, would anyone use a kernel that was slower than linux because it doesn't share data structures between parts of the kernel? Perhaps in the server world where uptime is critical. After all, that is Linux’s largest market share.
    - NavinF 3y ago
      Doubt it. In the server world, machines die all the time and nobody cares because ECMP routing and load balancers exist.
      - rbanffy 3y ago
        Embedded, life-critical, and military applications probably would. HPE makes a ton of money out of their NonStop line of uncrashable machines.
linguae 3y ago
As someone who was a child during the early days of KDE, GNUstep, and GNOME and who didn’t start using Linux until 2004, I’d like to learn more about Miguel de Icaza’s attempts to work with GNUstep; I’m familiar with much of GNUstep’s history but this is news to me.
- rbanffy 3y ago
  Any nice place to better understand it?
bandrami 3y ago
They're usable and Gnome isn't, so there's that
- rbanffy 3y ago
  That's an interesting comment. I use Gnome on all my non-Mac laptops and I really like it.

pipeline_peak 3y ago

I’d say GNU Hurd is even sadder, not that it’s a contest. It’s a pretty humble world of high effort low output lol.

NavinF 3y ago
I can't imagine how that could have gone differently. If Hurd was completed in the 90s, would anyone use a kernel that was slower than linux because it doesn't share data structures between parts of the kernel? Even today people disable isolation to improve performance even though our desktops are faster than old supercomputers: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/optimize-pc-for-gaming-performance https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/opti... "Windows 11 security measures include Memory Integrity and Virtual Machine Platform (VMP) to protect against malware, which are features that can also disrupt gaming performance. If you choose to turn these features off before gaming, it can improve your performance and help you focus on the games at hand. Afterwards, it’s important to turn them on again since you are opening your PC up to risks while it’s less protected. For short periods, you might try turning off your Memory Integrity and VMP to see if you notice a difference."
- pipeline_peak 3y ago
  > If Hurd was completed in the 90s, would anyone use a kernel that was slower than linux because it doesn't share data structures between parts of the kernel? Perhaps in the server world where uptime is critical. After all, that is Linux’s largest market share.
  - NavinF 3y ago
    Doubt it. In the server world, machines die all the time and nobody cares because ECMP routing and load balancers exist.
    - rbanffy 3y ago
      Embedded, life-critical, and military applications probably would. HPE makes a ton of money out of their NonStop line of uncrashable machines.

linguae 3y ago

As someone who was a child during the early days of KDE, GNUstep, and GNOME and who didn’t start using Linux until 2004, I’d like to learn more about Miguel de Icaza’s attempts to work with GNUstep; I’m familiar with much of GNUstep’s history but this is news to me.

rbanffy 3y ago
Any nice place to better understand it?

bandrami 3y ago

They're usable and Gnome isn't, so there's that

rbanffy 3y ago
That's an interesting comment. I use Gnome on all my non-Mac laptops and I really like it.