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Valve lawyers urge Dota 2 custom game creators to stop all monetization

andrewmcwatters 3y ago
Money for me not for thee. Tired of Valve’s transition from embracing the mod community to having disdain for the UGC community.
- tracker1 3y ago
  If the mod game is compelling, I would think that if someone came to Valve to license for profit sharing that they'd consider it. AFAIK quite a few games have done this for the parent game... also allowed the bundling as an independent game not requiring the original.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  >Money for me not for thee. Don't you think any company would object to having a real money storefront in their game that they have no control over. In the tweet valve isn't complaining that moders make money, but that they are selling items specifically.
iinnPP 3y ago
What is the problem if the tools used come with a license that is prohibiting commercial usage? The submission doesn't contain many details.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
  The line between employed game developer and slave mod developer is becoming too thin https://screenrant.com/starbound-chucklefish-unpaid-developer-accusation/ https://screenrant.com/starbound-chucklefish-unpaid-develope...
  - dmonitor 3y ago
    if your code gets merged upstream, then for sure you should be compensated. voluntarily making mods for the love of the game is obviously different from employment. in this dota case, if the modders wanted to charge for content, they shouldn’t have modded a game that prohibits charging for content.
    - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
      > in this dota case, if the modders wanted to charge for content, they shouldn’t have modded a game that prohibits charging for content. It's a too easy to use of an argument, reality is more complex, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ
      - constantcrying 3y ago
        Why are you linking to an irrelevant video about a completely different game which works completly differently? Dota2 has no internal mechanism to monetize a mod, which is an enormous difference.
        WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
        You just don't see the pattern A little travel into the past: https://www.wired.com/2015/04/steam-skyrim-paid-mods/ https://www.wired.com/2015/04/steam-skyrim-paid-mods/ Can you see what's being cooked?
        constantcrying 3y ago
        >Can you see what's being cooked? Absolutely not. You are just making random allegations here. I don't even get what you are arguing. I think you have a severe misunderstanding what dota2 is.
jgavris 3y ago
Lest we forget DotA was a Warcraft 3 mod to begin with…
constantcrying 3y ago
I think it is obvious why valve doesn't want this. People are selling things in their game through a route they don't have control over. It might even get legally questionable. The title is also lying, at least the tweet only mentions one possible way of monetization. It explicitly calls out selling items, but not other forms of monetization, e.g. donations.

Money for me not for thee. Tired of Valve’s transition from embracing the mod community to having disdain for the UGC community.

tracker1 3y ago
If the mod game is compelling, I would think that if someone came to Valve to license for profit sharing that they'd consider it. AFAIK quite a few games have done this for the parent game... also allowed the bundling as an independent game not requiring the original.
constantcrying 3y ago
>Money for me not for thee. Don't you think any company would object to having a real money storefront in their game that they have no control over. In the tweet valve isn't complaining that moders make money, but that they are selling items specifically.

iinnPP 3y ago

What is the problem if the tools used come with a license that is prohibiting commercial usage? The submission doesn't contain many details.

WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
The line between employed game developer and slave mod developer is becoming too thin https://screenrant.com/starbound-chucklefish-unpaid-developer-accusation/ https://screenrant.com/starbound-chucklefish-unpaid-develope...
- dmonitor 3y ago
  if your code gets merged upstream, then for sure you should be compensated. voluntarily making mods for the love of the game is obviously different from employment. in this dota case, if the modders wanted to charge for content, they shouldn’t have modded a game that prohibits charging for content.
  - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
    > in this dota case, if the modders wanted to charge for content, they shouldn’t have modded a game that prohibits charging for content. It's a too easy to use of an argument, reality is more complex, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gXlauRB1EQ
    - constantcrying 3y ago
      Why are you linking to an irrelevant video about a completely different game which works completly differently? Dota2 has no internal mechanism to monetize a mod, which is an enormous difference.
      - WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago
        You just don't see the pattern A little travel into the past: https://www.wired.com/2015/04/steam-skyrim-paid-mods/ https://www.wired.com/2015/04/steam-skyrim-paid-mods/ Can you see what's being cooked?
        constantcrying 3y ago
        >Can you see what's being cooked? Absolutely not. You are just making random allegations here. I don't even get what you are arguing. I think you have a severe misunderstanding what dota2 is.

jgavris 3y ago

Lest we forget DotA was a Warcraft 3 mod to begin with…

constantcrying 3y ago

I think it is obvious why valve doesn't want this. People are selling things in their game through a route they don't have control over. It might even get legally questionable. The title is also lying, at least the tweet only mentions one possible way of monetization. It explicitly calls out selling items, but not other forms of monetization, e.g. donations.