I don't think your attitude helps the narrative. People in industries like agriculture, fishing, and logging/milling have crazy high costs and depend on fossil

I don't think your attitude helps the narrative. People in industries like agriculture, fishing, and logging/milling have crazy high costs and depend on fossil fuels. A lot of these people care about the planet, but also need to put food in the table. I work with them, live by them, raise my children with them They don't want to fuck up the planet, yet they're demonized for what they do from afar while they provide goods to those that criticize them. They're told what they're doing is bad, but there are no alternatives as of now. The crowd you describe mostly doesn't exist in real life, it's manufactured on the internet. Once we all accept that normal, working, people are all mostly coming from a place of good we can have a productive discussion. Until then, here we are yelling into an echo chamber.