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I like this article a lot. War is not a struggle of good vs evil. It is a series of unfortunate trolly problems. When we tell people that the allies were the "g
by LargeTomato 3y ago
I like this article a lot. War is not a struggle of good vs evil. It is a series of unfortunate trolly problems. When we tell people that the allies were the "good guys" it makes it sound like all of their actions were good. That's inaccurate and dangerous. They may have resulted in a victory over a deeply evil enemy but they also inflicted untold violence.
Let's say you're Obama and you need to authorize a drone strike. There's an 85% chance the target is a terrorist. The target is surrounded by children. One of the children is a US citizen. Do you authorize the strike?
There's no proper answer here. It's morally grey. It was undoubtedly important to destroy the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese. I hope no one on HN would question that. But that doesn't mean the allies were morally absolved from their own violence.
The allies have 2 options. Option 1, firebomb and nuke Japan. Option 2, invade and slaughter millions, sacrificing your own military in the process and ceding north Japan to the Soviets. Are you morally justified to go with option 1? Maybe. Are we better off today for picking option 1? Probably. But trolly problems don't have good and bad, they have bad and worse.
- rented_mule 3y agoI think there's important learning in this that I wish all leaders of militarily powerful nations understood. When engaging in war, the one certainty for all sides is that it will be a tragedy. Even if you "win", there will be horrible consequences (on your own side!) in terms of lives lost, lives irreparably damaged, money / resources lost, and any moral/ethical high ground. In anything of any scale, this can't be avoided. Therefore, the choice to go to war is only sane if not going to war would be an even bigger tragedy. It's not hard to argue that Hitler taking over Europe (and beyond) would be worse. When viewed in this light, Russia going into Ukraine, the US going into Iraq twice, the US going into Vietnam, etc. all look like pretty bad decisions. But we keep falling into this complacency that the next war will be an easy one or a clean one. It will not, that is not what war is.