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Classical liberalism is a government, a regime, and it has been overtaken and is being replaced already. Hence why classical liberals feel surrounded by sharks.

claytongulick 3y ago
> Classical liberalism is a government, a regime I don't understand this point. Classic liberalism is a set of ideas that gave birth to many forms of government - are you trying to make an analogy? If so, it doesn't track very well for me. > it has been overtaken and is being replaced already I may be reading into your tone incorrectly - do you view this as a good thing?
- c_crank 3y ago
  >I don't understand this point. Classic liberalism is a set of ideas that gave birth to many forms of government - are you trying to make an analogy? If so, it doesn't track very well for me. The government in America based on classic liberal ideas - to be specific, is being overtaken and replaced. >I may be reading into your tone incorrectly - do you view this as a good thing? It's not a good thing. But one also has to see why that form of government was overtaken the way it was. It becomes hard not to view classical liberals with a certain amount of contempt when they just advocate a return to a form of government that proved very fragile under pressure.
  - claytongulick 3y ago
    > a form of government that proved very fragile under pressure Seems to have done pretty well [1], all things considered. I see authoritarianism as an entropy state. It takes active energy to resist. I agree that the US needs to put more energy into this. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/countries-are-the-worlds-oldest-democracies/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/countries-are-the-wor...
    - c_crank 3y ago
      >Seems to have done pretty well [1], all things considered. If being a democracy with elections is all that matters, yes. Putin's Russia fits that bill.

claytongulick 3y ago

> Classical liberalism is a government, a regime I don't understand this point. Classic liberalism is a set of ideas that gave birth to many forms of government - are you trying to make an analogy? If so, it doesn't track very well for me. > it has been overtaken and is being replaced already I may be reading into your tone incorrectly - do you view this as a good thing?

c_crank 3y ago
>I don't understand this point. Classic liberalism is a set of ideas that gave birth to many forms of government - are you trying to make an analogy? If so, it doesn't track very well for me. The government in America based on classic liberal ideas - to be specific, is being overtaken and replaced. >I may be reading into your tone incorrectly - do you view this as a good thing? It's not a good thing. But one also has to see why that form of government was overtaken the way it was. It becomes hard not to view classical liberals with a certain amount of contempt when they just advocate a return to a form of government that proved very fragile under pressure.
- claytongulick 3y ago
  > a form of government that proved very fragile under pressure Seems to have done pretty well [1], all things considered. I see authoritarianism as an entropy state. It takes active energy to resist. I agree that the US needs to put more energy into this. [1] https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/countries-are-the-worlds-oldest-democracies/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/08/countries-are-the-wor...
  - c_crank 3y ago
    >Seems to have done pretty well [1], all things considered. If being a democracy with elections is all that matters, yes. Putin's Russia fits that bill.