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And what is that supposed to tell us? If it's so awesome, work for Automattic, or start companies like it to dominate other spaces. Where's the problem? I just

And what is that supposed to tell us? If it's so awesome, work for Automattic, or start companies like it to dominate other spaces. Where's the problem? I just can't stand this learned helplessness in people, like the writer's strikes in Hollywood. Oh the studios are terrible, oh they're doing literally everything wrong all the time. But I'll just sit in the middle of the street, shout cringe at people and demand slightly higher pay. Go out and show people what you can do if you know how to do everything better. And if not, at least stop complaining about your boss and go back to work.

Apocryphon 3y ago
You are extrapolating a lot out of a simple statement pointing out there is an example work-from-home company that is very competitive, and appears to be winning. They aren't winning so much that they're able to make Tumblr profitable, but better companies have tried and failed. Other remote first companies have been attempted, and flourished, such as Buffer. DigitalOcean. Not sure how current this list is: https://buffer.com/resources/remote-jobs/ https://buffer.com/resources/remote-jobs/ edit: So your solution to being underpaid as workers is instead of organizing and pushing back as workers, as it is the legally recognized of labor for over a century, is to start your own competing studio? If that is what you consider "cringe," then you have successfully signaled your virtues. Very well.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  Consider how poorly supported is your evidence: "some companies are successful with work-from-home". Good, so? And some companies are successful with work-from-office. Now what? Back to square 1. This is why I extrapolated. Because you didn't simply tell me this to inform me Automattic exists and they work from home, or did you? No you had a whole point there. That somehow that's evidence that this model is good for everyone, maybe even better than other models. But those points are very poorly supported. And the way to support them is by practicing what you preach. Start a company, be better and win. In any case, I cringe because I watch people fail at basics of life. If you want to cringe because I'm pointing out basics of life, such as "be the change you want to see" and you won't see your demands served to you on a silver plate simply because you were loud and obnoxious by "pushing back", then cringe. But you still won't get what you want. Company owners own their companies. Not you. They can run a company how they want, as long as it's legal. It's legal to ask your workers to come to work. If you don't like it, quit and work elsewhere, or start your own. Say I'm at absolute dismay of how Musk runs Twitter right now. But he has the right to run his company into the ground. Or maybe he'll teach us something (but mostly what not to do). But people who don't want to be abused, should leave and go work elsewhere. That's it. If you go whine to Elon, he'll fire you, and he has the right to.
  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    It is not a thesis, it is a reply to your challenge of "make your own work-from-home company and compete with those complete idiots who demand going to the office, and let's see who wins." > But use you didn't simply tell me this to inform me Automattic exists and they work from home, or did you? Actually, I did! Which is why I linked to the list of other WFH companies as well. Some of them may be even competitive as well, you may check. > That somehow that's evidence that this model is good for everyone, maybe even better than other models. I never said that. You are projecting. I am fairly agnostic on the idea of which work model is best. More data needs to be collected. > They can run a company how they want, as long as it's legal. It's legal to ask your workers to come to work. If you don't like it, quit and work elsewhere, or start your own. Collective bargaining is also legal. You may call it cringe, but it is a valid mode of behavior. So what's the problem here? People are choosing to exercise an option that is legally granted to them. > But people who don't want to be abused, should leave and go work elsewhere. That's it. If you go whine to Elon, he'll fire you, and he has the right to No one disagrees that people can be fired in at-will states. But people may also choose other options besides simply taking it, or walking. You present a false dichotomy here. > If you want to cringe because I'm pointing out basics in life, such as you won't see your demands served to you on a silver plate simply because you were loud and obnoxious by "pushing back", then cringe. But you still won't get what you want. An overuse of 'cringe' is in itself cringe. Expand your vocabulary, for chrissake.
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    - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
      Collective bargaining is an option, but in this particular uber-monolithic form, which is in effect the supply-side version of a monopoly (a monopsony) it means the end for everyone involved, either now or later. For Hollywood writers in particular, this "later" moment has arrived. Watch the strike, and how it's failing (and will fail ultimately) and learn. Monolithic structures can't adapt. They're toxic in nature and fail sooner or later, but not before they ruin everyone involved. There are other ways. But that's another story.

Apocryphon 3y ago

You are extrapolating a lot out of a simple statement pointing out there is an example work-from-home company that is very competitive, and appears to be winning. They aren't winning so much that they're able to make Tumblr profitable, but better companies have tried and failed. Other remote first companies have been attempted, and flourished, such as Buffer. DigitalOcean. Not sure how current this list is: https://buffer.com/resources/remote-jobs/ https://buffer.com/resources/remote-jobs/ edit: So your solution to being underpaid as workers is instead of organizing and pushing back as workers, as it is the legally recognized of labor for over a century, is to start your own competing studio? If that is what you consider "cringe," then you have successfully signaled your virtues. Very well.

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
Consider how poorly supported is your evidence: "some companies are successful with work-from-home". Good, so? And some companies are successful with work-from-office. Now what? Back to square 1. This is why I extrapolated. Because you didn't simply tell me this to inform me Automattic exists and they work from home, or did you? No you had a whole point there. That somehow that's evidence that this model is good for everyone, maybe even better than other models. But those points are very poorly supported. And the way to support them is by practicing what you preach. Start a company, be better and win. In any case, I cringe because I watch people fail at basics of life. If you want to cringe because I'm pointing out basics of life, such as "be the change you want to see" and you won't see your demands served to you on a silver plate simply because you were loud and obnoxious by "pushing back", then cringe. But you still won't get what you want. Company owners own their companies. Not you. They can run a company how they want, as long as it's legal. It's legal to ask your workers to come to work. If you don't like it, quit and work elsewhere, or start your own. Say I'm at absolute dismay of how Musk runs Twitter right now. But he has the right to run his company into the ground. Or maybe he'll teach us something (but mostly what not to do). But people who don't want to be abused, should leave and go work elsewhere. That's it. If you go whine to Elon, he'll fire you, and he has the right to.
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  It is not a thesis, it is a reply to your challenge of "make your own work-from-home company and compete with those complete idiots who demand going to the office, and let's see who wins." > But use you didn't simply tell me this to inform me Automattic exists and they work from home, or did you? Actually, I did! Which is why I linked to the list of other WFH companies as well. Some of them may be even competitive as well, you may check. > That somehow that's evidence that this model is good for everyone, maybe even better than other models. I never said that. You are projecting. I am fairly agnostic on the idea of which work model is best. More data needs to be collected. > They can run a company how they want, as long as it's legal. It's legal to ask your workers to come to work. If you don't like it, quit and work elsewhere, or start your own. Collective bargaining is also legal. You may call it cringe, but it is a valid mode of behavior. So what's the problem here? People are choosing to exercise an option that is legally granted to them. > But people who don't want to be abused, should leave and go work elsewhere. That's it. If you go whine to Elon, he'll fire you, and he has the right to No one disagrees that people can be fired in at-will states. But people may also choose other options besides simply taking it, or walking. You present a false dichotomy here. > If you want to cringe because I'm pointing out basics in life, such as you won't see your demands served to you on a silver plate simply because you were loud and obnoxious by "pushing back", then cringe. But you still won't get what you want. An overuse of 'cringe' is in itself cringe. Expand your vocabulary, for chrissake.
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  - 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
    Collective bargaining is an option, but in this particular uber-monolithic form, which is in effect the supply-side version of a monopoly (a monopsony) it means the end for everyone involved, either now or later. For Hollywood writers in particular, this "later" moment has arrived. Watch the strike, and how it's failing (and will fail ultimately) and learn. Monolithic structures can't adapt. They're toxic in nature and fail sooner or later, but not before they ruin everyone involved. There are other ways. But that's another story.