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They should have maybe looked into fixing the anti-aliasing first. As much as it's a lightweight DE, we're way past the point of CPU capability to render these

They should have maybe looked into fixing the anti-aliasing first. As much as it's a lightweight DE, we're way past the point of CPU capability to render these basically for free, but it seems to be all over the place

rbanffy 3y ago
It's also open-source, so anyone with the knowledge can fix it.
- raverbashing 3y ago
  Yes, and then have their patch turned down for a miriad of reasons Knowing how to pick your battles is a need in OSS development
  - sharikous 3y ago
    A fork then
    - zaphar 3y ago
      A fork is really expensive. When the choice is use something else or fork GnuStep then use something else wins the overwhelming majority of the time.
      - danuker 3y ago
        Is a fork more expensive than starting anew? How?
        zaphar 3y ago
        Where does starting anew come into it? I didn't say anything about starting anew.
      - rbanffy 3y ago
        If the original project has a governance process that's difficult to integrate with and that slows down progress, a fork has a better chance of hosting a vibrant ecosystem than the original.
- codehalo 3y ago
  Not GNUStep. They are the absolute worst. Miguel de Icaza tried to work with them, and had to leave to create Gnome. Look at where they are and where Gnome is now. Saddest story in all of open source.
  - pipeline_peak 3y ago
    I’d say GNU Hurd is even sadder, not that it’s a contest. It’s a pretty humble world of high effort low output lol.
    - NavinF 3y ago
      I can't imagine how that could have gone differently. If Hurd was completed in the 90s, would anyone use a kernel that was slower than linux because it doesn't share data structures between parts of the kernel? Even today people disable isolation to improve performance even though our desktops are faster than old supercomputers: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/optimize-pc-for-gaming-performance https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/opti... "Windows 11 security measures include Memory Integrity and Virtual Machine Platform (VMP) to protect against malware, which are features that can also disrupt gaming performance. If you choose to turn these features off before gaming, it can improve your performance and help you focus on the games at hand. Afterwards, it’s important to turn them on again since you are opening your PC up to risks while it’s less protected. For short periods, you might try turning off your Memory Integrity and VMP to see if you notice a difference."
      - pipeline_peak 3y ago
        > If Hurd was completed in the 90s, would anyone use a kernel that was slower than linux because it doesn't share data structures between parts of the kernel? Perhaps in the server world where uptime is critical. After all, that is Linux’s largest market share.
        NavinF 3y ago
        Doubt it. In the server world, machines die all the time and nobody cares because ECMP routing and load balancers exist.
queuebert 3y ago
Looks great on my 25-year old CRT. I find it hilarious that we sharpened monitors so now we have to blur the rendering, because heaven forbid we see a pixel.
- NavinF 3y ago
  No, if we had infinite resolution monitors we wouldn't need anti-aliasing. You gotta bandlimit your signals or you'll see aliasing. That's just how signal processing works. Imagine if your audio player's output voltage jumped between 16bit levels instead of smoothly transitioning. It would sound horrible. That's how bad jaggies look to people who didn't grow up with slow computers
  - WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
    Gosh just how did they manage with the CDs and 12-bit audio, like animals.
    - meatmanek 3y ago
      With anti-aliasing filters, that's how.
    - NavinF 3y ago
      CDs are 16-bit. Digital audio players have had anti-aliasing filters for as long as digital audio existed because they'd sound horrible otherwise
  - akira2501 3y ago
    > if we had infinite resolution monitors we wouldn't need anti-aliasing. Color is based on frequency. There's an inherent limit to the range of light colors our eyeballs can process. > You gotta bandlimit your signals or you'll see aliasing. When changing sampling rates. If the monitors resolution and the font resolution were identical, then would bandlimiting actually have any effect? > Imagine if your audio player's output voltage jumped between 16bit levels instead of smoothly transitioning. It would sound horrible. The brain processes sound logarithmically. Is the same true for vision? I mean, I watch movies at 24 frames per second, and yet, I'm usually incapable of perceiving this. > That's how bad jaggies look to people who didn't grow up with slow computers Anecdotally.. but if the computer is experiencing a limit in displaying full resolution data to me, I actually don't mind noticing that fact.

rbanffy 3y ago

It's also open-source, so anyone with the knowledge can fix it.

raverbashing 3y ago
Yes, and then have their patch turned down for a miriad of reasons Knowing how to pick your battles is a need in OSS development
- sharikous 3y ago
  A fork then
  - zaphar 3y ago
    A fork is really expensive. When the choice is use something else or fork GnuStep then use something else wins the overwhelming majority of the time.
    - danuker 3y ago
      Is a fork more expensive than starting anew? How?
      - zaphar 3y ago
        Where does starting anew come into it? I didn't say anything about starting anew.
    - rbanffy 3y ago
      If the original project has a governance process that's difficult to integrate with and that slows down progress, a fork has a better chance of hosting a vibrant ecosystem than the original.
codehalo 3y ago
Not GNUStep. They are the absolute worst. Miguel de Icaza tried to work with them, and had to leave to create Gnome. Look at where they are and where Gnome is now. Saddest story in all of open source.
- pipeline_peak 3y ago
  I’d say GNU Hurd is even sadder, not that it’s a contest. It’s a pretty humble world of high effort low output lol.
  - NavinF 3y ago
    I can't imagine how that could have gone differently. If Hurd was completed in the 90s, would anyone use a kernel that was slower than linux because it doesn't share data structures between parts of the kernel? Even today people disable isolation to improve performance even though our desktops are faster than old supercomputers: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/optimize-pc-for-gaming-performance https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/learning-center/opti... "Windows 11 security measures include Memory Integrity and Virtual Machine Platform (VMP) to protect against malware, which are features that can also disrupt gaming performance. If you choose to turn these features off before gaming, it can improve your performance and help you focus on the games at hand. Afterwards, it’s important to turn them on again since you are opening your PC up to risks while it’s less protected. For short periods, you might try turning off your Memory Integrity and VMP to see if you notice a difference."
    - pipeline_peak 3y ago
      > If Hurd was completed in the 90s, would anyone use a kernel that was slower than linux because it doesn't share data structures between parts of the kernel? Perhaps in the server world where uptime is critical. After all, that is Linux’s largest market share.
      - NavinF 3y ago
        Doubt it. In the server world, machines die all the time and nobody cares because ECMP routing and load balancers exist.

queuebert 3y ago

Looks great on my 25-year old CRT. I find it hilarious that we sharpened monitors so now we have to blur the rendering, because heaven forbid we see a pixel.

NavinF 3y ago
No, if we had infinite resolution monitors we wouldn't need anti-aliasing. You gotta bandlimit your signals or you'll see aliasing. That's just how signal processing works. Imagine if your audio player's output voltage jumped between 16bit levels instead of smoothly transitioning. It would sound horrible. That's how bad jaggies look to people who didn't grow up with slow computers
- WesolyKubeczek 3y ago
  Gosh just how did they manage with the CDs and 12-bit audio, like animals.
  - meatmanek 3y ago
    With anti-aliasing filters, that's how.
  - NavinF 3y ago
    CDs are 16-bit. Digital audio players have had anti-aliasing filters for as long as digital audio existed because they'd sound horrible otherwise
- akira2501 3y ago
  > if we had infinite resolution monitors we wouldn't need anti-aliasing. Color is based on frequency. There's an inherent limit to the range of light colors our eyeballs can process. > You gotta bandlimit your signals or you'll see aliasing. When changing sampling rates. If the monitors resolution and the font resolution were identical, then would bandlimiting actually have any effect? > Imagine if your audio player's output voltage jumped between 16bit levels instead of smoothly transitioning. It would sound horrible. The brain processes sound logarithmically. Is the same true for vision? I mean, I watch movies at 24 frames per second, and yet, I'm usually incapable of perceiving this. > That's how bad jaggies look to people who didn't grow up with slow computers Anecdotally.. but if the computer is experiencing a limit in displaying full resolution data to me, I actually don't mind noticing that fact.