> As an organization the CIA has a very long and sordid well-known and documented history of committing acts that most reasonable people would find extremely di

> As an organization the CIA has a very long and sordid well-known and documented history of committing acts that most reasonable people would find extremely difficult to justify - not so, the nationalists, who incidentally are also inflicted with a well-characterized mental disorder deserving treatment. Nationalism, while annoying, isn't a mental disorder, and we should refrain from medicalizing everything we disagree with, as that is certainly a trait of horrible organizations. (see: "sluggishly-progressing schizophrenia" in the USSR) Also, "they did bad things in the past so they did this specific bad thing" is a fallacy, or at least a jump into illogic: Just because someone stole a car doesn't mean they stole every car that got stolen in the past thirty years, or that they stole your car in specific. It doesn't follow. > But whenever someone starts pulling on those threads of evidence to see where they lead, they are immediately confronted with the "conspiracy theorist" agitprop They're not. You're stating something that's simply not the case. Yes, the CIA has done horrible things. However, people who point this out aren't called crazy until they begin to say things like the CIA used nanothermite C4 to do 9/11 on the orders of the Jewish Reptilians, or that the CIA steals my thoughts and infects me with horrible compulsions. There's a line between known events and possible events, on one hand, and blatant nonsense, on the other.