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That caused Daniel Penny a lot of trouble. If the police won't keep the peace, and since we're not allowed to protect ourselves, then the next solution is payi

by 762236 3y ago

That caused Daniel Penny a lot of trouble. If the police won't keep the peace, and since we're not allowed to protect ourselves, then the next solution is paying for gated communities, private schools, Costcos, and private carriage.

stavros 3y ago
I didn't know who Daniel Penny is, and, after looking him up, are you for fucking real? The subway caused him a lot of trouble because he murdered a homeless guy? Yes, that's quite the inconvenience, I avoid the subway nowadays because all these life sentences add up. What am I going to do, not murder homeless people?
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  It got political fast, and I believe there was some disagreement about whether or not it counts as murder when done to the homeless. It seems the compromise was to call it manslaughter.
  - stavros 3y ago
    :(
- 762236 3y ago
  That's a real intellectually honest representation of the situation. Why did Daniel Penny have to defend himself and the other passengers from the violent, crazy dude? Why would I put myself in the same situation, exposing myself to the violent crazy people? I'll take Uber. Or move to Europe.
  - BizarroLand 3y ago
    Your idea of a violent and crazy person is someone who shouts at people that they are hungry and don't care if they die? "Penny held Neely, in a chokehold on the subway train May 1 after Neely began shouting at passengers that he was hungry and thirsty and didn’t care whether he died. Penny forced 30-year-old Neely to the train floor and restrained him in a chokehold until he stopped breathing. A medical examiner ruled Neely’s death a homicide." Also, even if you do have to put a person in a chokehold, remember this from the same page: “Bottom line – at some point Mr. Penny should have let go before Jordan died,” the statement read. “There is no excuse for choking anyone for that long. Any reasonable person knows choking someone for that long will kill them." https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/daniel-penny-indicted-jordan-neely-chokehold/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/daniel-penny-indicted-jord... Also to note, Daniel Penny is not some random nobody like you are. He's a former marine, and should have known better because of his military training.
    - jrockway 3y ago
      I've seen some sketchy people on the Subway before. I just moved to the next car. Look ma, no murder charges!
    - 762236 3y ago
      When I read about this, on real news sites, I remember hearing a vastly different story.
      - BizarroLand 3y ago
        A: CNN is a real news site, you dingus. B: Share your sources or shut up.
      - xethos 3y ago
        > on real news sites In all curiosity: do you recall which ones? Not American, but I associate CNN with left-slanted, though generally factual, coverage.
        762236 3y ago
        I don't remember now, as I don't read news, and it was covered by everyone at the time due to is ability to play into the current tribal wars. So it was filtering into my social media from witness accounts, analysts, etc. But CNN has no credibility, along with Fox and nytimes. They're into entertainment and will slant their stories to promote tribal outrage, as that keeps people returning for more. Life is much nicer ignoring them.
  - stavros 3y ago
    It's interesting that you mention Europe. Yes, these incidents happen here much more rarely, because we as a society take better care of mentally ill people, but that includes not randomly killing them when they're being mentally ill.

by 762236 3y ago

stavros 3y ago

I didn't know who Daniel Penny is, and, after looking him up, are you for fucking real? The subway caused him a lot of trouble because he murdered a homeless guy? Yes, that's quite the inconvenience, I avoid the subway nowadays because all these life sentences add up. What am I going to do, not murder homeless people?

hotpotamus 3y ago
It got political fast, and I believe there was some disagreement about whether or not it counts as murder when done to the homeless. It seems the compromise was to call it manslaughter.
- stavros 3y ago
  :(
762236 3y ago
That's a real intellectually honest representation of the situation. Why did Daniel Penny have to defend himself and the other passengers from the violent, crazy dude? Why would I put myself in the same situation, exposing myself to the violent crazy people? I'll take Uber. Or move to Europe.
- BizarroLand 3y ago
  Your idea of a violent and crazy person is someone who shouts at people that they are hungry and don't care if they die? "Penny held Neely, in a chokehold on the subway train May 1 after Neely began shouting at passengers that he was hungry and thirsty and didn’t care whether he died. Penny forced 30-year-old Neely to the train floor and restrained him in a chokehold until he stopped breathing. A medical examiner ruled Neely’s death a homicide." Also, even if you do have to put a person in a chokehold, remember this from the same page: “Bottom line – at some point Mr. Penny should have let go before Jordan died,” the statement read. “There is no excuse for choking anyone for that long. Any reasonable person knows choking someone for that long will kill them." https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/daniel-penny-indicted-jordan-neely-chokehold/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/14/us/daniel-penny-indicted-jord... Also to note, Daniel Penny is not some random nobody like you are. He's a former marine, and should have known better because of his military training.
  - jrockway 3y ago
    I've seen some sketchy people on the Subway before. I just moved to the next car. Look ma, no murder charges!
  - 762236 3y ago
    When I read about this, on real news sites, I remember hearing a vastly different story.
    - BizarroLand 3y ago
      A: CNN is a real news site, you dingus. B: Share your sources or shut up.
    - xethos 3y ago
      > on real news sites In all curiosity: do you recall which ones? Not American, but I associate CNN with left-slanted, though generally factual, coverage.
      - 762236 3y ago
        I don't remember now, as I don't read news, and it was covered by everyone at the time due to is ability to play into the current tribal wars. So it was filtering into my social media from witness accounts, analysts, etc. But CNN has no credibility, along with Fox and nytimes. They're into entertainment and will slant their stories to promote tribal outrage, as that keeps people returning for more. Life is much nicer ignoring them.
- stavros 3y ago
  It's interesting that you mention Europe. Yes, these incidents happen here much more rarely, because we as a society take better care of mentally ill people, but that includes not randomly killing them when they're being mentally ill.