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> If you expect corporations or government to just Do The Right Thing It's not just corporations or government. Any system of organizing multiple human beings

> If you expect corporations or government to just Do The Right Thing It's not just corporations or government. Any system of organizing multiple human beings that depends on an unbroken chain of Good People Doing The Right Thing is bound to fail, and fail much sooner rather than later. This happens all the time in nonprofit organizations, civil societies, and what have you. Individual people can be expected to Do The Right Thing, even at personal cost, sometimes. We've all helped strangers change a flat tire even when it's uncomfortably hot outside. But I'm sure we've all also just driven by someone on the side of the road, because we were in a rush to get somewhere. Over time, and in groups, people can only be expected to operate based on the incentives and disincentives that are presented to them. (Hence your "regulation or continual threat".)

giardini 3y ago
gottorf speaks true when he says:">It's not just corporations or government. Any system of organizing multiple human beings that depends on an unbroken chain of Good People Doing The Right Thing is bound to fail, and fail much sooner rather than later. This happens all the time in nonprofit organizations, civil societies, and what have you.<" This. Everyone should serve a stint as an officer in their condominium's homeowners' association or neighborhood association so they begin to understand. (I want to underscore that the described behavior is not limited to capitalists, although one might at first suspect so).
gochi 3y ago
>Over time, and in groups, people can only be expected to operate based on the incentives and disincentives that are presented to them No, this is missing the core reason due to believing in an inherent order or that implementing the "right" incentives is the solution. The real core is that humans are sometimes irrational. This irrational behavior is why economists are regularly wrong (on both macro and micro scales, from recessions to struggling to understand why an incentive/disincentive is ineffective when it should from all other testing), and the core as to why groups can't stick to Do The Right Thing.
notyouropie 3y ago
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giardini 3y ago

gottorf speaks true when he says:">It's not just corporations or government. Any system of organizing multiple human beings that depends on an unbroken chain of Good People Doing The Right Thing is bound to fail, and fail much sooner rather than later. This happens all the time in nonprofit organizations, civil societies, and what have you.<" This. Everyone should serve a stint as an officer in their condominium's homeowners' association or neighborhood association so they begin to understand. (I want to underscore that the described behavior is not limited to capitalists, although one might at first suspect so).

gochi 3y ago

>Over time, and in groups, people can only be expected to operate based on the incentives and disincentives that are presented to them No, this is missing the core reason due to believing in an inherent order or that implementing the "right" incentives is the solution. The real core is that humans are sometimes irrational. This irrational behavior is why economists are regularly wrong (on both macro and micro scales, from recessions to struggling to understand why an incentive/disincentive is ineffective when it should from all other testing), and the core as to why groups can't stick to Do The Right Thing.

notyouropie 3y ago

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