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The media often does a sensationalist job of presenting climate change. It's always in existential terms, then social media runs with that, and you have public

The media often does a sensationalist job of presenting climate change. It's always in existential terms, then social media runs with that, and you have public figures talking about how we're all doomed if we don't do something drastic in the next 5-10 years. Instead of it being a range from less severe to more severe with risk factors and tradeoffs increasing, along with possible mitigation strategies from more mundane to more risky. It becomes a binary of we're doomed or we do something drastic right now (massive degrowth, abandon capatalism, quit fossil fuel cold turkey, etc) with little in between.

jackmott42 3y ago
You remember that time "The media" tried to communicate nuance, and it worked? The reason you don't is because you can't. People are not equipped to receive that. The real issue here is industry is destroying our planet, and you nitpick the media because you can't handle the real problem. Bike shedding.
- goatlover 3y ago
  That's an extremely reductive take. Industry provides the economic activity for billions of people and our modern lifestyle. Clean energy will still be provided by industry, as will carbon capture and other mitigating solutions. What do you propose, going back to a preindustrial lifestyle? Do you have something better than we do that or we all die message that I'm criticizing? Bike shedding my ass.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    > Industry provides the economic activity for billions of people Bullshit jobs 40-75%, transport & cars to those bullshit jobs, too much stuff produced we don't need, ... > as will carbon capture Not soon, no. Lookup how much is already in the air and how much is the technology able to capture. We'd need tens of thousands of such factories. We have the technology - we have trees. > going back to a preindustrial lifestyle Living sustainably != preindustrial lifestyle. > something better than we do that or we all die Doing what we've done before (= more of the bad stuff that got us where we are) will get us to the "we all die" part.

jackmott42 3y ago

You remember that time "The media" tried to communicate nuance, and it worked? The reason you don't is because you can't. People are not equipped to receive that. The real issue here is industry is destroying our planet, and you nitpick the media because you can't handle the real problem. Bike shedding.

goatlover 3y ago
That's an extremely reductive take. Industry provides the economic activity for billions of people and our modern lifestyle. Clean energy will still be provided by industry, as will carbon capture and other mitigating solutions. What do you propose, going back to a preindustrial lifestyle? Do you have something better than we do that or we all die message that I'm criticizing? Bike shedding my ass.
- myshpa 3y ago
  > Industry provides the economic activity for billions of people Bullshit jobs 40-75%, transport & cars to those bullshit jobs, too much stuff produced we don't need, ... > as will carbon capture Not soon, no. Lookup how much is already in the air and how much is the technology able to capture. We'd need tens of thousands of such factories. We have the technology - we have trees. > going back to a preindustrial lifestyle Living sustainably != preindustrial lifestyle. > something better than we do that or we all die Doing what we've done before (= more of the bad stuff that got us where we are) will get us to the "we all die" part.