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Explain how this is clickbait.

by tantalor 3y ago

layer8 3y ago
The climatologists aren't in actual disbelief, just in a metaphorical one. That makes it slightly click-baity.
- AmpsterMan 3y ago
  They are metaphorically in disbelief, but in actuality they are not in disbelief? Yeah I guess I understand the climate deniers too. EDIT: Be cause I wrote the above in anger Scientists have been sounding the alarm for as long as I have lived. They have consistently used the most optimistic scenarios and we have constantly done worse than that. Climate Deniers want to deny because the reality is an inconvenience to their ways of life. The costs of climate denial are diffuse; they can't be directly traced back to me. The benefits are acute and wholly captured by me. Add on to this that contribution toward climate change is disproportionately done by wealthier people and you get the most powerful people, who benefit the most from climate denial, trying to get others to deny with them.
  - scaramanga 3y ago
    For the non-english speakers: "disbelief" has two meanings: 1. actually not believing something 2. astonishment/amazement Climatologists believe the temperature anomaly, and are astonished by it. Hope that clears up some of the confusion.
  - layer8 3y ago
    "I can’t believe you posted that comment!" That's metaphorical. Of course I believe you posted that comment, it's right in front of my eyes.
    - plorg 3y ago
      You're making distinctions without differences. This kind of metaphorical speaking is very common in English and is well-understood by people not looking for pedantic argumentation. I will grant that it may be a bit subtle to non-native English speakers, but it is not being used to deceive the reader either in fact or in severity.
- tantalor 3y ago
  Oh fun we are having a semantic debate now. I guess nobody wins. I think a little dose of media literacy is needed here. Obviously scientists aren't literally "refusing to accept", "rejecting", or "don't believe" this data is accurate. Rather "disbelief" in this sense is a normal phrasing used in media to describe the sense of surprise or shock on the part of experts who didn't expect this to happen. One scientist said it was "unheard of". Yes the article is replacing that with "disbelief" in the figurative sense, but we all know what that means. It's not clickbait.
  - layer8 3y ago
    My perception is that this figurative use makes for a sensationalist headline.
WA 3y ago
Sure: - "Winter" in the headline makes it sound more extreme. It’s information-free, because winter and summer temperatures close to the equator are very similar. - Numbers are given in absolutes when convenient to paint a picture and are without meaning without a proper reference. - References are sketchy: "in winter as hot as Europe in summer". "This would be weird in New South Wales". Ok then. - Color scheme of maps made to look extreme. - Map on top and mid don’t match. - Map on top apparently has "precipitation" selected?! Does the range on the right even show temperatures, especially since this map doesn’t match the second map? - Cherry-picking most extreme ranges: 10-20°C in some areas. But Buenos Aires is only 5°C hotter. Btw. Germany where I live, is 5-7 degrees cooler than usually in August. Doesn’t matter though.
- irrational 3y ago
  > winter and summer temperatures close to the equator are very similar. Do you actually know where the equator is on that map?
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- mdp2021 3y ago
  > close to the equator The peak anomaly was in Vicuña, Chile, at -30°Lat - i.e. Puerto Alegre, Maseru, Perth-Brisbane. Symmetrically, that would be Houston, Cairo, Delhi, Shanghai... The tropic of Capricorn is at -23.4°Lat. The peak anomaly is well below the tropic. And Buenos Aires (where the other biggest anomaly was) is several degrees further south. Update: > But Buenos Aires is only 5°C hotter I think it refers to the previous highest record well over one century ago. It says, > Buenos Aires set a daily record for the start of August with its high of 30.1C - more than 5 degrees above the previous daily record, and 12C warmer than its August average (BTW: Wikipedia does not agree with those records in the "Climate data" table, but anyway.)
LudwigNagasena 3y ago
Well, if it isn’t click bait then it just means… that climatology can’t predict such events. “Winter temperatures are above 35 in South America and it is exactly what climatologists predicted given our actions” — nice, they know what they are doing, they earn credibility. “Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief” — so something extremely unlikely happened according to your models, maybe your understanding is wrong? Or it is really an “anomaly” and things are going to get back to normal soon? The implication that something that no one has foreseen happened and, therefore, it proves that people who haven’t foreseen it were right is ridiculous.
holoduke 3y ago
Its filled with anxiety and emotions. I am completely turn off by this. Despite thet fact that I acknowledge climate change. Its approach is based on emotions and not clear well though actions.

Explain how this is clickbait.

layer8 3y ago

The climatologists aren't in actual disbelief, just in a metaphorical one. That makes it slightly click-baity.

AmpsterMan 3y ago
They are metaphorically in disbelief, but in actuality they are not in disbelief? Yeah I guess I understand the climate deniers too. EDIT: Be cause I wrote the above in anger Scientists have been sounding the alarm for as long as I have lived. They have consistently used the most optimistic scenarios and we have constantly done worse than that. Climate Deniers want to deny because the reality is an inconvenience to their ways of life. The costs of climate denial are diffuse; they can't be directly traced back to me. The benefits are acute and wholly captured by me. Add on to this that contribution toward climate change is disproportionately done by wealthier people and you get the most powerful people, who benefit the most from climate denial, trying to get others to deny with them.
- scaramanga 3y ago
  For the non-english speakers: "disbelief" has two meanings: 1. actually not believing something 2. astonishment/amazement Climatologists believe the temperature anomaly, and are astonished by it. Hope that clears up some of the confusion.
- layer8 3y ago
  "I can’t believe you posted that comment!" That's metaphorical. Of course I believe you posted that comment, it's right in front of my eyes.
  - plorg 3y ago
    You're making distinctions without differences. This kind of metaphorical speaking is very common in English and is well-understood by people not looking for pedantic argumentation. I will grant that it may be a bit subtle to non-native English speakers, but it is not being used to deceive the reader either in fact or in severity.
tantalor 3y ago
Oh fun we are having a semantic debate now. I guess nobody wins. I think a little dose of media literacy is needed here. Obviously scientists aren't literally "refusing to accept", "rejecting", or "don't believe" this data is accurate. Rather "disbelief" in this sense is a normal phrasing used in media to describe the sense of surprise or shock on the part of experts who didn't expect this to happen. One scientist said it was "unheard of". Yes the article is replacing that with "disbelief" in the figurative sense, but we all know what that means. It's not clickbait.
- layer8 3y ago
  My perception is that this figurative use makes for a sensationalist headline.

WA 3y ago

Sure: - "Winter" in the headline makes it sound more extreme. It’s information-free, because winter and summer temperatures close to the equator are very similar. - Numbers are given in absolutes when convenient to paint a picture and are without meaning without a proper reference. - References are sketchy: "in winter as hot as Europe in summer". "This would be weird in New South Wales". Ok then. - Color scheme of maps made to look extreme. - Map on top and mid don’t match. - Map on top apparently has "precipitation" selected?! Does the range on the right even show temperatures, especially since this map doesn’t match the second map? - Cherry-picking most extreme ranges: 10-20°C in some areas. But Buenos Aires is only 5°C hotter. Btw. Germany where I live, is 5-7 degrees cooler than usually in August. Doesn’t matter though.

irrational 3y ago
> winter and summer temperatures close to the equator are very similar. Do you actually know where the equator is on that map?
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mdp2021 3y ago
> close to the equator The peak anomaly was in Vicuña, Chile, at -30°Lat - i.e. Puerto Alegre, Maseru, Perth-Brisbane. Symmetrically, that would be Houston, Cairo, Delhi, Shanghai... The tropic of Capricorn is at -23.4°Lat. The peak anomaly is well below the tropic. And Buenos Aires (where the other biggest anomaly was) is several degrees further south. Update: > But Buenos Aires is only 5°C hotter I think it refers to the previous highest record well over one century ago. It says, > Buenos Aires set a daily record for the start of August with its high of 30.1C - more than 5 degrees above the previous daily record, and 12C warmer than its August average (BTW: Wikipedia does not agree with those records in the "Climate data" table, but anyway.)

LudwigNagasena 3y ago

Well, if it isn’t click bait then it just means… that climatology can’t predict such events. “Winter temperatures are above 35 in South America and it is exactly what climatologists predicted given our actions” — nice, they know what they are doing, they earn credibility. “Winter temperatures above 35C in South America leave climatologists in disbelief” — so something extremely unlikely happened according to your models, maybe your understanding is wrong? Or it is really an “anomaly” and things are going to get back to normal soon? The implication that something that no one has foreseen happened and, therefore, it proves that people who haven’t foreseen it were right is ridiculous.

holoduke 3y ago

Its filled with anxiety and emotions. I am completely turn off by this. Despite thet fact that I acknowledge climate change. Its approach is based on emotions and not clear well though actions.