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Only because I was responding to an oddly offensive take.

marginalia_nu 3y ago
Not really though. Bad science comes from all over the world. It's bizarre to think that there couldn't be a Chinese Jan Hendrik Schön.
- senttoschool 3y ago
  I never said the Chinese is an exception. I was only following the logic of the original question and your initial reply.
  - marginalia_nu 3y ago
    You inferred logic that was never present in my reply. It's a correlation/causation error. As it is fully possible for things to happen in China that are not caused by the specific character and nature of Chinese people; pointing out that something has happened in China is not an implication that it's caused some the special nature of Chinese people or Chinese society.
    - aurareturn 3y ago
      You don't see how your logic can be misinterpreted? Original question: Why aren't labs outside of China publishing results? Your answer: Because good rigorous science takes time to produce. Logical interpretation of your answer: Chinese universities are producing bad, unrigorous science because they're publishing their findings so fast.
      - marginalia_nu 3y ago
        If you go out of your way to look for uncharitable ways of interpreting what others are saying, you will find them. Instead of going on the offensive and taking such an uncharitable interpretation as a given, if you truly can find no charitable interpretation[1], maybe ask for a clarification rather than jumping to conclusions about unspoken implications. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
        senttoschool 3y ago
        You can apply that principle to yourself. You go out of your way to look for uncharitable ways of interpreting how others are interpreting your messages.
fennecfoxy 3y ago
Lmao, all that implied was that rushed papers don't have time for in depth analysis, only reproducing the material without further insight. Which is absolutely true; we're not super-human, it takes time to replicate the material and then time to disseminate why/how it works.

Not really though. Bad science comes from all over the world. It's bizarre to think that there couldn't be a Chinese Jan Hendrik Schön.

senttoschool 3y ago
I never said the Chinese is an exception. I was only following the logic of the original question and your initial reply.
- marginalia_nu 3y ago
  You inferred logic that was never present in my reply. It's a correlation/causation error. As it is fully possible for things to happen in China that are not caused by the specific character and nature of Chinese people; pointing out that something has happened in China is not an implication that it's caused some the special nature of Chinese people or Chinese society.
  - aurareturn 3y ago
    You don't see how your logic can be misinterpreted? Original question: Why aren't labs outside of China publishing results? Your answer: Because good rigorous science takes time to produce. Logical interpretation of your answer: Chinese universities are producing bad, unrigorous science because they're publishing their findings so fast.
    - marginalia_nu 3y ago
      If you go out of your way to look for uncharitable ways of interpreting what others are saying, you will find them. Instead of going on the offensive and taking such an uncharitable interpretation as a given, if you truly can find no charitable interpretation[1], maybe ask for a clarification rather than jumping to conclusions about unspoken implications. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
      - senttoschool 3y ago
        You can apply that principle to yourself. You go out of your way to look for uncharitable ways of interpreting how others are interpreting your messages.

fennecfoxy 3y ago

Lmao, all that implied was that rushed papers don't have time for in depth analysis, only reproducing the material without further insight. Which is absolutely true; we're not super-human, it takes time to replicate the material and then time to disseminate why/how it works.