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In age where an incredible amount of scientific research is fraudulent, even ivy league university presidents are resigning... I think I'll take ideals that ha

In age where an incredible amount of scientific research is fraudulent, even ivy league university presidents are resigning... I think I'll take ideals that have survived for thousands of years over dodgy conclusions from likely fraudulent and unrepeatable data.

phailhaus 3y ago
Appeal to Tradition, classic fallacy. [1] Which ideals? Slavery has survived for thousands of years, does that make it better? Took thousands of years to develop the concept of capitalism, should we have skipped it? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition
- stuckinhell 3y ago
  The ones about marriage and the relationships between men and women than exist in nearly every civilization in the world for thousands of years. I think the jury is out on the modern world, as many slaves in middle ages lived far better than the capitalist "slave" workers in the America, India, Philippines, today.
  - phailhaus 3y ago
    The reason why they had such similar ideals is because none of them had effective birth control. That was just developed in the 20th century. Pre-marital sex is no longer an issue, you no longer have to marry someone just because of your raging hormones.
    - mensetmanusman 3y ago
      However, the jury is still out because many existing cultures are disappearing by choice.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Instead simply trust the experts... oh wait. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Did you even read the page you linked? Or are you just trying to make a snarky comeback without understanding the fallacy at hand?
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      Yes, we dont agree the experts are experts.
    - nec4b 3y ago
      It is you who is snarky and combative. You are making asinine comparison to slavery to shut down the dialog.
      - phailhaus 3y ago
        What dialog? "It's been around for thousands of years, therefore it is the best way to do things" is hardly basis for a conversation. These same people will shamelessly use modern birth control, despite not being used for thousands of years. That's why those ideals existed for so long.
        nec4b 3y ago
        >>What dialog? "It's been around for thousands of years, therefore it is the best way to do things" is hardly basis for a conversation. Is everything traditional automatically wrong and everything modern automatically right? >> These same people will shamelessly use modern birth control, despite not being used for thousands of years. That's why those ideals existed for so long. You got all this from the poster you replied to? It sure seem you are doing a lot of projecting and straw man building.

phailhaus 3y ago

Appeal to Tradition, classic fallacy. [1] Which ideals? Slavery has survived for thousands of years, does that make it better? Took thousands of years to develop the concept of capitalism, should we have skipped it? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

stuckinhell 3y ago
The ones about marriage and the relationships between men and women than exist in nearly every civilization in the world for thousands of years. I think the jury is out on the modern world, as many slaves in middle ages lived far better than the capitalist "slave" workers in the America, India, Philippines, today.
- phailhaus 3y ago
  The reason why they had such similar ideals is because none of them had effective birth control. That was just developed in the 20th century. Pre-marital sex is no longer an issue, you no longer have to marry someone just because of your raging hormones.
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    However, the jury is still out because many existing cultures are disappearing by choice.
willcipriano 3y ago
Instead simply trust the experts... oh wait. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
- pixl97 3y ago
  Did you even read the page you linked? Or are you just trying to make a snarky comeback without understanding the fallacy at hand?
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Yes, we dont agree the experts are experts.
  - nec4b 3y ago
    It is you who is snarky and combative. You are making asinine comparison to slavery to shut down the dialog.
    - phailhaus 3y ago
      What dialog? "It's been around for thousands of years, therefore it is the best way to do things" is hardly basis for a conversation. These same people will shamelessly use modern birth control, despite not being used for thousands of years. That's why those ideals existed for so long.
      - nec4b 3y ago
        >>What dialog? "It's been around for thousands of years, therefore it is the best way to do things" is hardly basis for a conversation. Is everything traditional automatically wrong and everything modern automatically right? >> These same people will shamelessly use modern birth control, despite not being used for thousands of years. That's why those ideals existed for so long. You got all this from the poster you replied to? It sure seem you are doing a lot of projecting and straw man building.