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This is what happens when you start banning accepted science and threatening to take people's kids away. They could have gotten away with a lot more with fewer

This is what happens when you start banning accepted science and threatening to take people's kids away. They could have gotten away with a lot more with fewer academic casualties if they hadn't been so public and aggressive about everything.

tjs8rj 3y ago
Did you read the article? There are no laws attacking accepted science, there are laws pushing back on ideological capture. That the country is “systemically racist” and that “men can be women” are not scientific facts. These are increasingly less prominent interpretations of various observed phenomena, and especially for a lot of the gender stuff: just preferred philosophy or cultural mindset. Because these areas both have political policy recommendations, they are just politics by definition. In short, this is a shortage of politically motivated academics who bias their research and teaching towards political ends rather than the truth. Purging the university of these kinds is a major win.
- fuckyou232 3y ago
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- drewbug01 3y ago
  > These are increasingly less prominent interpretations of various observed phenomena, and especially for a lot of the gender stuff: just preferred philosophy or cultural mindset. Could you provide some citations showing how this is becoming less prominent over time? > Because these areas both have political policy recommendations, they are just politics by definition. That’s interesting, don’t you think? Wouldn’t that discount most practical research as “politics”?
- repubsdead 3y ago
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- orf 3y ago
  There is an objective truth to things. Wrapping those things in “political policy recommendations” doesn’t detract from that objective truth. Now you can discuss that objective truth but dismissing it as politically motivated, saying, without any cause, that the people who left those positions “ bias their research and teaching away from truth, and finishing with stating that a (objectively politically motivated) purge is a “major win” is the height of lazy, brain-dead thinking that might benefit from a little bit more education and a little bit less red-meat politics.
  - kelseyfrog 3y ago
    I'm curious. Where did you learn that social facts fall under the umbrella of objective truth?
    - orf 3y ago
      I’m curious. What part of my comment led you to ask that question?
      - kelseyfrog 3y ago
        It was "There is an objective truth to things." How did you come to that conclusion?
        orf 3y ago
        I dunno. Reality? If I throw a ball, it’s objectively true that it’s position changes?
        kelseyfrog 3y ago
        How does throwing a ball analogize to observations about social phenomena for you?
        orf 3y ago
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  > politically motivated academics who bias their research This stands out in a good faith reading as a real problem that commonly occurs. However, the preceding words "this is a shortage of" suggest that it is known that these specific academics perpetrate this problem. Is there a way for one who is currently uninformed to become informed about this? > Because these areas both have political policy recommendations, they are just politics by definition. This sounds like a Political Person can choose to co-opt my opinion as part of their Platform and then tell me that my opinion is Political. No, it's just an opinion; not everything is Politics.
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matthewdgreen 3y ago
The academic casualties are the whole point. First you pass the silly laws, then you drive away the kinds of high-profile experts who might say something to embarrass or oppose you politically. Then you guarantee that most in-state students get a systematically worse and propaganda-filled education, while the smart and creative kids go to other states (where they likely stay.) Eventually you've driven away the experts, voters and activists who might otherwise oppose you politically. It's too bad that everyone in Florida has to suffer a worse economy and educational system so a few politicians can enshrine themselves for life, but many of those Floridians are voting for it.
- thatguy0900 3y ago
  I always thought the Texas crazyness was similar. Texas makes a huge fuss with insane abortion laws at the same time as people were talking about moving from the liberal west coast, often with Texas in their sights.
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tjs8rj 3y ago

Did you read the article? There are no laws attacking accepted science, there are laws pushing back on ideological capture. That the country is “systemically racist” and that “men can be women” are not scientific facts. These are increasingly less prominent interpretations of various observed phenomena, and especially for a lot of the gender stuff: just preferred philosophy or cultural mindset. Because these areas both have political policy recommendations, they are just politics by definition. In short, this is a shortage of politically motivated academics who bias their research and teaching towards political ends rather than the truth. Purging the university of these kinds is a major win.

fuckyou232 3y ago
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drewbug01 3y ago
> These are increasingly less prominent interpretations of various observed phenomena, and especially for a lot of the gender stuff: just preferred philosophy or cultural mindset. Could you provide some citations showing how this is becoming less prominent over time? > Because these areas both have political policy recommendations, they are just politics by definition. That’s interesting, don’t you think? Wouldn’t that discount most practical research as “politics”?
repubsdead 3y ago
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orf 3y ago
There is an objective truth to things. Wrapping those things in “political policy recommendations” doesn’t detract from that objective truth. Now you can discuss that objective truth but dismissing it as politically motivated, saying, without any cause, that the people who left those positions “ bias their research and teaching away from truth, and finishing with stating that a (objectively politically motivated) purge is a “major win” is the height of lazy, brain-dead thinking that might benefit from a little bit more education and a little bit less red-meat politics.
- kelseyfrog 3y ago
  I'm curious. Where did you learn that social facts fall under the umbrella of objective truth?
  - orf 3y ago
    I’m curious. What part of my comment led you to ask that question?
    - kelseyfrog 3y ago
      It was "There is an objective truth to things." How did you come to that conclusion?
      - orf 3y ago
        I dunno. Reality? If I throw a ball, it’s objectively true that it’s position changes?
        kelseyfrog 3y ago
        How does throwing a ball analogize to observations about social phenomena for you?
        orf 3y ago
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
> politically motivated academics who bias their research This stands out in a good faith reading as a real problem that commonly occurs. However, the preceding words "this is a shortage of" suggest that it is known that these specific academics perpetrate this problem. Is there a way for one who is currently uninformed to become informed about this? > Because these areas both have political policy recommendations, they are just politics by definition. This sounds like a Political Person can choose to co-opt my opinion as part of their Platform and then tell me that my opinion is Political. No, it's just an opinion; not everything is Politics.
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matthewdgreen 3y ago

The academic casualties are the whole point. First you pass the silly laws, then you drive away the kinds of high-profile experts who might say something to embarrass or oppose you politically. Then you guarantee that most in-state students get a systematically worse and propaganda-filled education, while the smart and creative kids go to other states (where they likely stay.) Eventually you've driven away the experts, voters and activists who might otherwise oppose you politically. It's too bad that everyone in Florida has to suffer a worse economy and educational system so a few politicians can enshrine themselves for life, but many of those Floridians are voting for it.

thatguy0900 3y ago
I always thought the Texas crazyness was similar. Texas makes a huge fuss with insane abortion laws at the same time as people were talking about moving from the liberal west coast, often with Texas in their sights.
- deleted 3y ago
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