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> traditional free software values (like respect for others' beliefs, freedom of conscience) A. I'm not sure such a state ever existed in open source, this fe

> traditional free software values (like respect for others' beliefs, freedom of conscience) A. I'm not sure such a state ever existed in open source, this feels very "Make open source great again", pining for a time that never was B. Nothing says "respecting others' beliefs" like trying to prevent others from marrying. Mozilla was on the downslope long before Brendan and given what he did afterwards (Brave) it's clear he would only accelerated Mozilla's demise. I guess we all missed out on FireCoin or whatever other scam he would have run.

memefrog 3y ago
ESR used to be a widely respected figure in open source. Open source has pretty obviously become much less politically tolerant over time.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  Open source has pretty obviously become much less politically tolerant over time. There was never a time when open source was tolerant of outright bigotry.
  - memefrog 3y ago
    Okay? How is this relevant to the discussion? We're not talking about 'bigotry'.
    - inferiorhuman 3y ago
      You're a bit blind to it, but yeah, we are. Patience for ESR ran out over his calling all black people criminals, claiming all women were chomping at the bit to toss around fake rape accusations, and blaming homosexuals for HIV, etc., etc. That's bigotry whether or not you agree with his premise. Show me a time when the open source community was ever okay with that kind of bullshit.
      - memefrog 3y ago
        The time when ESR was a universally accepted member of it, given he literally invented the term. The time when he was a leader of it for many years. All time right up until a couple of years ago when entryists performed a hostile takeover to impose their niche Silicon Valley political views on everyone else.
        inferiorhuman 3y ago
        IOW, you can't demonstrate the open source community being tolerant of bigotry? Got it. ESR ran his mouth and "suffered" the consequences. Fuck around and find out as the kids say. There was no so-called "hostile takeover" nor imposition of "niche Silicon Valley political views".
        memefrog 3y ago
        >IOW, you can't demonstrate the open source community being tolerant of bigotry? Got it. As I already explained, the topic of this thread is not bigotry, but something that you, unilaterally, have labelled 'bigotry'. Those are different things. >ESR ran his mouth and "suffered" the consequences. Fuck around and find out as the kids say. Wow you seem such a nice and tolerant person. (inb4 you bring up the 'paradox of tolerance' in a way that demonstrates you didn't understand it at all) >There was no so-called "hostile takeover" nor imposition of "niche Silicon Valley political views". ... he says, immediately after saying that someone was essentially blacklisted (oh no, I said one of the bad words! BLOCKLISTED, not blacklisted, SORRY FOR MY RACISM!!!!) for having a right-of-centre political opinion.
BrendanEich 3y ago
Brave grew from nothing to 22M DAU, while Firefox lost share pretty much every month over those 8 years. Your "FireCoin" b.s. aside, you can't explain how Brave grew while Firefox shrank. Surely, ritually-impure me would have meant failure for Brave, which you assume falsely in order to claim I'd have wrecked Mozilla worse than it got rekt without me. This is counterfactual.

memefrog 3y ago

ESR used to be a widely respected figure in open source. Open source has pretty obviously become much less politically tolerant over time.

inferiorhuman 3y ago
Open source has pretty obviously become much less politically tolerant over time. There was never a time when open source was tolerant of outright bigotry.
- memefrog 3y ago
  Okay? How is this relevant to the discussion? We're not talking about 'bigotry'.
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    You're a bit blind to it, but yeah, we are. Patience for ESR ran out over his calling all black people criminals, claiming all women were chomping at the bit to toss around fake rape accusations, and blaming homosexuals for HIV, etc., etc. That's bigotry whether or not you agree with his premise. Show me a time when the open source community was ever okay with that kind of bullshit.
    - memefrog 3y ago
      The time when ESR was a universally accepted member of it, given he literally invented the term. The time when he was a leader of it for many years. All time right up until a couple of years ago when entryists performed a hostile takeover to impose their niche Silicon Valley political views on everyone else.
      - inferiorhuman 3y ago
        IOW, you can't demonstrate the open source community being tolerant of bigotry? Got it. ESR ran his mouth and "suffered" the consequences. Fuck around and find out as the kids say. There was no so-called "hostile takeover" nor imposition of "niche Silicon Valley political views".
        memefrog 3y ago
        >IOW, you can't demonstrate the open source community being tolerant of bigotry? Got it. As I already explained, the topic of this thread is not bigotry, but something that you, unilaterally, have labelled 'bigotry'. Those are different things. >ESR ran his mouth and "suffered" the consequences. Fuck around and find out as the kids say. Wow you seem such a nice and tolerant person. (inb4 you bring up the 'paradox of tolerance' in a way that demonstrates you didn't understand it at all) >There was no so-called "hostile takeover" nor imposition of "niche Silicon Valley political views". ... he says, immediately after saying that someone was essentially blacklisted (oh no, I said one of the bad words! BLOCKLISTED, not blacklisted, SORRY FOR MY RACISM!!!!) for having a right-of-centre political opinion.

BrendanEich 3y ago

Brave grew from nothing to 22M DAU, while Firefox lost share pretty much every month over those 8 years. Your "FireCoin" b.s. aside, you can't explain how Brave grew while Firefox shrank. Surely, ritually-impure me would have meant failure for Brave, which you assume falsely in order to claim I'd have wrecked Mozilla worse than it got rekt without me. This is counterfactual.